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Here comes the rub of playing ND

Posted on 9/11/17 at 10:24 pm
Posted by Sandwich
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
5548 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 10:24 pm
Now ND is no good and UGA "should" have beaten them even though Vegas and most talking heads agreed otherwise.

We damned if we do and damned if we don't.

Funny, we lose that game and headlines would be "Notre Dame is back, beats SEC school".

We gonna have to earn respect each and every week. Hope this team is up for the challenge.
Posted by Hullabaloo
LA
Member since Sep 2009
15296 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 10:26 pm to
I said from jump street playing ND is like fighting a midget.


You win: "You should've it's a midget!"

You lose: "Damn you lost to a midget?!"
Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
42435 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 10:40 pm to
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We gonna have to earn respect each and every week. Hope this team is up for the challenge.





Good. No reason we should even think about getting complacent after beating a team who went 4-8 last year (even if they're obviously better than that this year).

Take every game seriously, demand respect, play with a chip on your shoulder and the "nobody believes in us" card.
Posted by MeatCleaverWeaver
Member since Oct 2013
22175 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 10:46 pm to
Gonna be interesting to see what quality of team we beat as the season unfolds. I think they're gonna be a pretty good team, personally.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27288 posts
Posted on 9/11/17 at 11:04 pm to
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Gonna be interesting to see what quality of team we beat as the season unfolds. I think they're gonna be a pretty good team, personally.


Geez,if I read one more post from the Rant talking about how "overrated" they were.

It's not like they were ranked in the top 10.They were
ranked freakin 24th and I certainly think there's enough talent and coaching to win 9 games and finish in the top 25 and they're not gonna play a better defense
the rest of the season.
This post was edited on 9/12/17 at 12:37 am
Posted by socrow
Covington,GA
Member since Sep 2012
828 posts
Posted on 9/12/17 at 12:19 am to
I think the biggest difference I see so far this year is Kirby has finally gotten across the point of if you want to be a champion then you have to treat every week like it's a championship game, I've noticed his complaints about practices not being physical enough and intense enough are more down this year I think they have bought in and prepare for each game like it's a championship game now, but we will see if that's true this week as this game should be over by halftime
Posted by WhopperDawg
Member since Aug 2013
3073 posts
Posted on 9/12/17 at 12:59 am to
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We gonna have to earn respect each and every week. Hope this team is up for the challenge.


So, this year is the same as the others. UGA never gets respect. We lose a game and we drop like a stone.
Posted by Baxter
Athens Ga
Member since Feb 2015
465 posts
Posted on 9/12/17 at 1:29 am to
All we need is for them to beat USC
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 9/12/17 at 8:15 am to
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So, this year is the same as the others. UGA never gets respect. We lose a game and we drop like a stone.


We moved up in the rankings probably an appropriate amount for playing a team that was just inside of the top 25, but largely based on potential. They *were* 4-8 last season, so until ND shows that they actually have the ability to do more than play good teams tight, it's not terribly surprising that the perception is that the win may be less valuable.

Ultimately, it's probably for the best. At the time of the game, it was viewed as a big game, but we need all of the games left on the schedule to feel big to our guys... Our schedule kind of stacks up that way where we don't appear to face an "elite" team, but it's one of ESPN's top SOS because of the consistency from week to week of not playing many true cellar dwellers and instead playing a lot of teams that are at a minimum good enough to win if everything goes right (Miss St, UT, SC, FL, AU... Looks like Mizzou and UK maybe a little less so. Unsure on Vandy right now but clearly not a gimme after last season).
This post was edited on 9/12/17 at 8:41 am
Posted by Fats
Member since Nov 2012
3316 posts
Posted on 9/12/17 at 8:30 am to
ND will get a chance to prove if they are a good team. Their remaining schedule is pretty tough.

UGA will also get a chance to prove if they are an elite team or just a good team this year.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25869 posts
Posted on 9/12/17 at 8:39 am to
Time will tell how good ND actually is (same with everybody else, including UGA), but other SEC fans with the exception of Bama are going to continue to push the "Kirby sucks, UGA sucks" narrative until it's impossible to do so. It's really not in everybody else's best interest for UGA to turn the corner. UGA just has to keep winning.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12412 posts
Posted on 9/12/17 at 8:42 am to
Winning will fix this and losing will reinforce it... not much we can do.
Posted by Dawg4Life47
Beach
Member since Sep 2013
8422 posts
Posted on 9/12/17 at 9:59 am to
Notre Dame will go 9-3 and look really good by year end.

I think they beat USC to be honest.

That was a good team we beat, at night, at their stadium.

Richt loses that game every time.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 9/12/17 at 10:25 am to
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Notre Dame will go 9-3 and look really good by year end.


Maybe. Time will tell.

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I think they beat USC to be honest.


Probably depends on a few things. It's certainly possible, but pretty sure they wouldn't be favorites if the game was played this week. Who knows by the end of the season, but wouldn't count them out.

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That was a good team we beat, at night, at their stadium.


I agree with this. It was a "good" team. Their defense came up in big spots. They've got very talented WRs that we kept in check, we neutralized their running game, and gave their all-world OL fits... we came in with a good game plan and executed on it pretty well. If we'd played cleaner and maybe gotten a few less ticky tack penalties called along the way, the game may have been out of reach for ND at the end, rather than a 1 point victory. If I look at it through the lens of last year, I'd say it was one of those games where we were much closer to running away with the thing than we were to getting our doors blown off. I'd call that improvement. The great thing is the team is showing that we can win without playing at our best... Going to have to improve every week though given our schedule. The rest of the season is going to have tough away games that we won't have the same luxury we had with the traveling contingency in South Bend.

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Richt loses that game every time.


I'll admit I have heaped a ton of (well-earned) criticism on Mark Richt over the years (though I still think that to this point, he's the best coach we've ever had... he simply had run his course here and it was time for something different) - but this is entirely unnecessary. Richt had plenty of big wins in his career at UGA. This is simply revisionist history based primarily on his last few years. *Every* coach loses games that they shouldn't. *Every* coach loses close games at times. Would you pass on Saban because he lost a one possession game against Clemson last year? Or because he once let his team lose to a directional Louisiana school?
Posted by Thomaston_DAWG
Thomaston, Georgia
Member since Jan 2015
158 posts
Posted on 9/12/17 at 10:41 am to
I dont understand why everyone, including Vegas had UGA as the underdog going into Southbend. Everyone thought we couldnt possibly go in there and leave with a win, especially starting a true freshman QB. ND was supposed to be the better team. We leave Indiana with the win and all the sudden, ND was just a 4-8 team who should have lost the game.

Then you have USCe who beats a bad NC state team by one possession and can only muster a few scores against a Mizzou defense that allowed an FCS team to score nearly 50 points in the previous contest. Everyone starts crowning them the kings of the east.... WTF is going on, are we in the twilight zone
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:03 am to
FWIW, here is ND's schedule coming up along with current S&P+ rankings/margins of those schools:

@Boston College (#74 -2.1)
@Michigan St (#37 6.7)
Miami (OH) (#89 -5.3)
@UNC (#44 5.5)
USC (#7 21.1)

Compared to ND's #18 ranking and 14.6 margin.

If you're unfamiliar with S&P+, essentially take the higher rated school and compare to the lower rated school and the margin difference is the amount that they should theoretically win by. It of course has flaws (see: UGA @ 20 compared to ND at 18, but we did just win a 1 point game in which they had opportunities to score at the end... I can give that a "margin of error" pass) but it's a good way of just evaluating the likelihood of wins over the coming weeks. (It's currently 62% against the spread this season... even better when strictly evaluating win/loss).

ND should be roughly an 8 point favorite or better in all games prior to USC. Doesn't mean they can't lose those games, but certainly should be favored even with games on the road.


On somewhat of a tangent... looking at the updated S&P+ does a great job of pointing out the strength of UGA's remaining schedule. Excluding Samford, every team left on our schedule is currently in the top 50 except Kentucky (they're just outside at 53, 2 spots ahead of App State) with UT, Miss St, Florida and Auburn all still inside the top 25. We'll have plenty of chances to prove ourselves this season... And if you're worried about what people on the Rant say, you've already lost the battle. I've not really heard knowledgeable people discounting UGA's win over ND.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:13 am to
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I dont understand why everyone, including Vegas had UGA as the underdog going into Southbend. Everyone thought we couldnt possibly go in there and leave with a win, especially starting a true freshman QB. ND was supposed to be the better team. We leave Indiana with the win and all the sudden, ND was just a 4-8 team who should have lost the game.

See: Dawgrading - GTP. They were 4.5 point favorites prior to the overreaction to the Eason injury, meaning slight favorites + 3point home field. We neutralized home field in large part and Fromm played well enough to keep us in it. it's not like we were double digit underdogs here... Again, who is saying they were 4-8 last season and didn't belong in the game now... people on the Rant? No shite. Trolling is and will always be what you see there first and foremost. If you let that get under your skin, you probably shouldn't hang out here.

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Then you have USCe who beats a bad NC state team by one possession and can only muster a few scores against a Mizzou defense that allowed an FCS team to score nearly 50 points in the previous contest. Everyone starts crowning them the kings of the east.... WTF is going on, are we in the twilight zone


Their defense is thin. Their fans will tell you that. They have a legit QB IMO. Bentley is a really solid game manager and they've got some weapons to get the ball to. They'll be a tough out and likely the best home game of the season by a wide margin. Just because they didn't score half a hundred on Mizzou doesn't mean they didn't do exactly what they wanted to offensively. They scored 30+ points and Mizzou really just didn't have the gas against a real defense.

Again: Who is crowning them kings of the east? The Rant? See response to part 1. I'm not seeing anyone saying they should be the favorites in the east, rather that they will *challenge* for the East... and that's valid. It's not like we've got some stranglehold on it. We haven't played a conference game yet. We're not massive favorites in the east, we barely edged out what appears to be a bad UF team to get the writers' vote. Long season to go, and as the old adage goes... just win baby.
Posted by FaCubeItches
Soviet Monica, People's Republic CA
Member since Sep 2012
5875 posts
Posted on 9/12/17 at 11:31 am to
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So, this year is the same as the others. UGA never gets respect. We lose a game and we drop like a stone.


Unfortunately, we have built up a reputation (fairly or not) as something of a choke artist - a string of faceplants in big, nationally televised games will do that. Until we shed that image, respect will only be given grudgingly, if at all.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58901 posts
Posted on 9/12/17 at 12:59 pm to
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Then you have USCe who beats a bad NC state team by one possession and can only muster a few scores against a Mizzou defense that allowed an FCS team to score nearly 50 points in the previous contest. Everyone starts crowning them the kings of the east.... WTF is going on, are we in the twilight zone


You take this place too seriously. Most of the USCe talk is trolling, trying to get UGA fans mad. You are better off being gracious, and saying, "Yes, it is possible!". Because, it IS possible. I'll take respect at the end of the year over respect at the start, every time. Just relax and let the schedule play itself out. Either we will be there at the end, or we congratulate the team that wins it and move on to next year.
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