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re: Generational Talent(sic) balling it out in the NFL
Posted on 10/25/21 at 2:34 pm to Rex Feral
Posted on 10/25/21 at 2:34 pm to Rex Feral
Meh, Eason was a freshman who played well then lost his job to an injury and went back home to Washington which is understandable.
Fields was given a chance to take the job from Fromm and would make 1 read and tuck it. Then used a BS excuse and made the university look like racists just so he didn't have to sit a year.
Fields was given a chance to take the job from Fromm and would make 1 read and tuck it. Then used a BS excuse and made the university look like racists just so he didn't have to sit a year.
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Posted on 10/25/21 at 2:36 pm to Peter Buck
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Where are the QBs from National Champs the last 11 years now?
The last 11 years of national title starting QBs:
Mac Jones
Joe Burrow
Trevor Lawrence
Tua
Deshaun Watson
Jake Coker
Cardale Jones
Jameis Winston
AJ McCarron (2x)
Cam Newton
7 first round picks (4 went #1 overall), 5 current starters (would be 6 if Watson didn't have legal issues).
2015 was the last time a team won a national title without a 1st round QB.
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Are any of them top 10 NFL QBs?
Burrow is. Watson was before his issues. Newton was for a little bit. Lawrence probably will be.
This post was edited on 10/25/21 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 10/25/21 at 2:54 pm to VADawg
Looks like they get some NFL money, but the vast majority are very average at best in the NFl. Statistically, the best one out of that group shows how poorly Ohio State bungled up their QB room management. They let an actual generational talent transfer out.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 3:26 pm to Peter Buck
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Looks like they get some NFL money, but the vast majority are very average at best in the NFl. Statistically, the best one out of that group shows how poorly Ohio State bungled up their QB room management. They let an actual generational talent transfer out.
Burrow damn near followed Schiano to Tennessee according to recent reports. Wild to think about just how bad they managed that room and what that could have done for UTk (would not have been the same as Burrow @ LSU, but he would have been a substantial improvement for them).
Posted on 10/25/21 at 3:38 pm to FinleyStreet
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I wasn't expecting Fields to be the next Tom Brady or anything, but I also didn't expect him to be this terrible either. Does he have a crappy Oline or something? What's his deal?
My dad, brother, etc., are all Bear fans. Man, they literally thought they drafted the savior. I tried to warn them!
Bears OL isn't good, at all. Matt Nagy is an awful HC. But none of that matter...the kid wasn't ready for the NFL. He could barely make reads in college, how the hell could anyone have expected him to just walk into the NFL and perform?
So not only was he not ready the day he signed with the Bears, but now he has all the pressure of their fans expecting the world from him. Not good.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 3:53 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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My dad, brother, etc., are all Bear fans. Man, they literally thought they drafted the savior. I tried to warn them!
Fields has the double whammy. He's an Ohio State QB and those guys all suck in the NFL. Every one of them. He's also a Bears QB and those guys all suck in the NFL.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 8:09 pm to S1C EM
quote:That was kinda my point. He is playing because the Bears QB situation has been underwhelming for the past 75 years or so.
Let's be honest, he's starting for the same reason Cam did.
However, roles reversed, I don’t think Jake Fromm is any closer to the field in Chicago than in Buffalo. He was Buffalos 4th QB during the Covid season, got cut this year during training camp and re-signed to the practice squad. That was the last I knew of his status. I doubt he has climbed above 3rd string at the highest.
I don’t say any of that to fanboy for Fields or unfairly slam Fromm. It is just the reality. Fromm has the football IQ but not the physical measurables. Fields has the measurables without the football IQ. As someone else said, he is still good af at handing off the ball.
Posted on 10/25/21 at 10:13 pm to Dawgfan247
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Fields was given a chance to take the job from Fromm
Well, not to bring up the debate that will never be settled but some don't feel that he was given a legit chance. But Smart likes to keep mistakes to a minimum. He would have had to thought that dealing with Field's ups and downs would have been worth it. Probably would have needed to change the offense to fit Fields, too.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 12:24 am to DawgHolliday
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Fields IS playing
For a team that also thought that Bitch Trumisky was the answer to their quarterback woes. That ain't a high bar. But hey, we know he's at least as good as Rex Grossman!
Posted on 10/26/21 at 4:52 am to DawgHolliday
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I don’t think Jake Fromm is any closer to the field in Chicago than in Buffalo.
Probably true, but let’s remember that they did start Trubisky. I don’t think he was worlds better than Fromm. Fromm’s last year here kinda nosedived his draft stock. Another year MIGHT have improved that, but I dunno.
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As someone else said, he is still good af at handing off the ball.
That was moi.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 4:56 am to VADawg
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Mac Jones
Joe Burrow
Trevor Lawrence
Tua
Deshaun Watson
Jake Coker
Cardale Jones
Jameis Winston
AJ McCarron (2x)
Cam Newton
To be clear, four of the guys on this list are still starting because they’re only in their first or second year on relatively bad teams. Those teams have made major investments in them and don’t exactly have a ton of options right now. Granted, I think Burrow works out in the longer term. The rest will be up for debate for a couple more years.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 9:52 am to Peter Buck
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very average at best in the NFL
Which still means they are a hell of a lot better than the many others who never made it to the NFL at all or who immediately washed out...
Posted on 10/26/21 at 10:39 am to Lucius Clay
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Which still means they are a hell of a lot better than the many others who never made it to the NFL at all or who immediately washed out...
Did Johnny Manzell and Tim Tebow suck in College? Danny Wuerffel? Colt McCoy? David Greene?
Or
Steve Spurrier
Tim Couch
Gino Torettta
Eric Crouch
Chris Winke
Andre Ware
JaMarcus Russell
Ryan Leaf
Vince Young
Posted on 10/26/21 at 11:02 am to Peter Buck
As good as they were in college, they clearly lacked what it took to make it at the highest level...or else they would have. Some had the physical tools but lacked the IQ and processing speed; some didn't have a pro arm. Some had personal issues.
The recruiting pitch of elite programs is to help you make it to the next level. That's usually the dream of elite players coming out of high school.
UGA purports to be a perennial top four program these days. If a QB doesn't at least have the potential to make it to the next level, why recruit him?
The recruiting pitch of elite programs is to help you make it to the next level. That's usually the dream of elite players coming out of high school.
UGA purports to be a perennial top four program these days. If a QB doesn't at least have the potential to make it to the next level, why recruit him?
Posted on 10/26/21 at 2:13 pm to Lucius Clay
How many of those dudes won Natties or Heismans or both?
Posted on 10/26/21 at 2:27 pm to Peter Buck
How bout Aaron Murray?
All time leading passer in the SEC and by far,a better CFB QB than Stafford.So was Fromm for that matter.
All time leading passer in the SEC and by far,a better CFB QB than Stafford.So was Fromm for that matter.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 3:14 pm to RD Dawg
Lots of Natties have been won by great College QBs. Not all great College QBs are even good pro QBs. In fact, winning a Natty or a Hiesman is far from an assurance that the QB will even be a legit NFL QB. It will, however, give them a longer rope and a bigger initial investment. One of the few spots where College accolades don’t always translate to NFL.
Posted on 10/27/21 at 1:47 pm to Peter Buck
Lots of great high school quarterbacks don't pan out as great college quarterbacks. Level of competition, supporting cast on the team, simplicity of offense, all sorts of reasons some guys with big high school numbers don't become the next big college QB. Remember the name Anthony Morelli? 6-4, 230 and was on the cover of all the mags as a 5 star when he went to Penn State. He was okay at best; didn't have much impact. But there have been bigger busts...Rhett Bomar at Oklahoma, Kyle Wright at Miami...and who can forget Ryan Perilloux for LSU...or Mitch Mustain. All high school legends who never lived up to the hype in college.
I see this as no different than the leap from college to NFL. Some will have great numbers in college and win championships but weaknesses get exposed at the next level and only a few develop into successful NLF QBs.
I see this as no different than the leap from college to NFL. Some will have great numbers in college and win championships but weaknesses get exposed at the next level and only a few develop into successful NLF QBs.
This post was edited on 10/27/21 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 10/27/21 at 1:54 pm to Lucius Clay
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All high school legends who never lived up to the hype in college.
Ron Paulus
Posted on 10/27/21 at 6:34 pm to FinleyStreet
Yes .. his OL is awful.. The round 1 Tackle they got got hurt in OTAs.. the 2 bets they brought in got hurt week 2
The #3 RB is starting, because the 1 & 2 got hurt..
little difficult stretch against Browns, Packers, and Bucs…
He’s played good against teams that are equal in talent
The #3 RB is starting, because the 1 & 2 got hurt..
little difficult stretch against Browns, Packers, and Bucs…
He’s played good against teams that are equal in talent
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