re: Fields will Redshirt (Official Prediction)

Despite the fact that I would like to see him redshirt - the more I think about it I see Kirby rotating Fields in more and more for all of the reasons stated in these threads. It’ll be a blast to see him get his wheels under him and hopefully Fromm will continue to grow.

Both of these guys deserve to see ample playing time so I hope CKS can balance it to get the best out of both. It’ll be about of a balancing act though.

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Since hurts isn’t an elite dual threat was it a good decision to use him to make your point about elite dual threats?

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No, Hurts was not an example of an "elite" DT QB. My point was that he's a good DT QB who tore many other teams apart and we kept him in check while a freshman pocket passer nearly toppled them. The claim that we need an elite DT QB to take down the likes of Bama is what I took issue with.

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My point was that he's a good DT QB who tore many other teams apart and we kept him in check while a freshman pocket passer nearly toppled them. The claim that we need an elite DT QB to take down the likes of Bama is what I took issue with.

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Hurts had a career passer rating of about 135 vs power 5 teams. His ratings vs auburn and after the past 2 years have been horrendous. That proves he isn’t even a good dual threat, much less elite.

Bama has lost 2 games the past 2 years. Both involved a qb effectively running on them and hurts sucking as a passer. That’s how teams beat Bama.

We were well on our way to beating them without the dual threat, but they benched their crappy passer. Now that they have upgraded at qb, a good dual threat is even more important if you want to take Bama down.

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Hurts had a career passer rating of about 135 vs power 5 teams. His ratings vs auburn and after the past 2 years have been horrendous. That proves he isn’t even a good dual threat, much less elite.

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You're right. They gave the SEC OPOTY award to a below-average nobody who just happened to be on a winning team.

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Bama has lost 2 games the past 2 years. Both involved a qb effectively running on them and hurts sucking as a passer. That’s how teams beat Bama.

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We did enough offensively to beat Bama with a combination of RBs and a pocket-passing QB. Our defense was lights out for most of the game but got beat on the one play that mattered in the end. We didn't need a DT QB to beat them, which was my entire point on tapping the brakes on Fields as our savior.

Bama may have lost 2 games where Hurts didn't play well but Bama also won several games behind the arm and legs of Hurts, which is also my point. You guys can downplay Hurts all you want but there's a reason why he was starting at Alabama as a freshman and and sophomore and why Tua was sitting on the bench until Saban felt desperation.

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We were well on our way to beating them without the dual threat, but they benched their crappy passer. Now that they have upgraded at qb, a good dual threat is even more important if you want to take Bama down.

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A lot of things went their way in the 2nd half beyond the play of their 2nd string QB. That's what they do: they capitalize on beneficial opportunities. But to say they bench a "crappy passer" is not correct. They benched a QB who wasn't getting the job done with he arm and his legs and in a move of desperation changed things up to see what their untested freshman could do. Fortunately for Bama, he rose to the occasion.

But even so, we don't need a DT QB to beat them. We need consistency and proper execution to beat them. We can do that with a DT QB or a PP QB.

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We did enough offensively to beat Bama with a combination of RBs and a pocket-passing QB. Our defense was lights out for most of the game but got beat on the one play that mattered in the end. We didn't need a DT QB to beat them,.

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Apparently we needed a better offense. Teams that beat Bama score more than 20. Close games can come down to single plays such as a big scramble by a qb that extends a drive.

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But even so, we don't need a DT QB to beat them. We need consistency and proper execution to beat them. We can do that with a DT QB or a PP QB.

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It could maybe help, but I feel very confident we would have beaten them last year in the NC game with a PP QB if Tyler Simmons wasn’t called offsides.

Or if we didn’t go away from Sony. Or if we didn’t blow that coverage at the end of the game.

It’s not like we were far away from beating them. Just a couple things that didn’t go our way cost us.

Or if it weren't for the fluke INT Fromm threw off the lineman's helmet right after Tua's INT to start the 2nd half...

For as much crowing as Bama fans have been doing this offseason, they're in legit denial if they don't understand that it took 10 blown calls by the refs and OT to win this one.

Maybe it's just that the outspoken ones are sucking up all the air that others would've used. Saban was legitimately desperate to win. It paid off in the end, but it won't always.

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Essentially. His overall passer rating was below 140, which not even top 40 in the nation. That’s even worse when you take his supporting cast into account.

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His PR was 139.1. You're technically right but not by much. He suffered from too many INTs but actually did better than Fromm in several passing stats, including completion percentage (though not by much) and had comparable stats otherwise. Not bad when you consider Fromm is a pure pocket passer with an elite football IQ whereas Hurts was a DT QB who made worse decisions overall and relied too much on his legs to bail him out.

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It was an awful year for the sec overall, and Bama didn’t feed their rb like they usually do. which really limited contenders.

Josh Dobbs was clearly better but he didn’t play for only elite team in the sec. Guice was probably more deserving, but he also didn’t play for the only elite team in the sec. Fitzgerald was more productive, but he played for a bad miss st team.

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Freshman Hurts actually played comparatively with Senior Dobbs, for instance. He may have gotten the benefit of the doubt by playing for Bama but he definitely did his part to help them win.

But again, even the starting QB at Bama was (who could run and pass) was bested by the freshman pocket passer from UGA. We don't necessarily need a DT QB to win a championship, which, again, was my initial point.

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actually did better than Fromm in several passing stats, including completion percentage (though not by much) and had comparable stats otherwise.

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What on earth are you looking at?

2017 Jake Fromm had a much higher passer rating. A closer look shows Hurts was terrible passing downfield and he has his passer rating propped up by short and easy pass calls that led to lots of yac due to elite WRs.

2016 Josh Dobbs was a better passer and runner than hurts and we know he wasn’t propped up by anything with the vols. Absurd he didn’t get poty award.