re: Fields will Redshirt (Official Prediction)

Reply to me with a quote that I didn't even say.

You seem triggered.

I simply quoted the words you typed in that post.

Except you didn't, I didn't post that anywhere. Thus, my comment.

Look at what you actually quoted in the post to which I responded. I didn't say what you quoted. That was FooManChoo.

What post are you talking about if it’s not that one?

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Until that 4th Q when we kept on punting the ball after missing on 3rd and short. No way a QB could have run for a key first down there, right? Heck, the key play for Bama may have been the Tua 3rd down scramble past Roquan in the 3rd Q. Keep on downplaying plays like that. It silly.

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That was poor execution by Fromm. Do you think that every bad play could have been fixed if we had a QB who could take off and run? A running QB means that the defense has to spy. That could be beneficial to us if played correctly and the QB makes good decisions throwing the ball, but that could also limit the effectiveness of the scramble.

Regardless of whether our QB is a PP or a DT, they need to make smart decisions and execute effectively. Too many DT QBs take off when they should have looked downfield for an open receiver. Too many get jittery in the pocket because they know they can take off an elude a pass rush. Too many rely on themselves to get the first down or the score rather than trusting their offensive weapons. What is most important is having a QB who knows when to be patient, when to throw it, and when to take off and run. Magically giving a QB mobility won't fix anything if his head isn't right.

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Bama didnt have any good QB's on campus in 2016. He wasn't starting because of his arm. Saban made sure to get Tua ready because he knows Hurts limitations

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Must be nice to be so close to winning a national championship with no "good QB's on campus", even though the eventual starter won the SEC OPOTY award. They must give those out like candy.

Tua was ready because he was the backup. That's what good coaches do. They keep the backups ready to get into the game for when they're needed. Tua was not the starter throughout the season and only got put in out of an act of desperation. He rose to the occasion and justified the move, but he could have easily fallen apart and then Saban would have been questioned. Up until that point, Saban rode with Hurts because he was a known commodity who could effectively run the offense.

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Any big games? He played in 4 playoff games, 1 SECCG, 2 AU games, and 2 LSU games. We know he can run, so Check out his passing in these games.

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He wasn't a pure pocket passer so he didn't have to be one in those games. He used his legs when the defenses made it difficult for him to throw the ball.

The point is that he was effective throwing the ball (over 60% completion both seasons) and used his legs to make up for any deficiencies he had in that area. He was good enough to earn and keep the starting job in the Alabama championship dynasty until the last game of the season. He's not a bad QB and we shut him down.

If you take issue with that example (seems like you do), we can name others. What about Baker Mayfield? He is a very mobile QB who gave defenses fits with his feet his entire college career (he was listed as a DT QB coming out of highschool and ran for 400+ yards his first season at OU). The first half of the Rose Bowl, he tore us a new one. We made adjustments and effectively shut him down. Our freshman PP QB kept on rolling and we wound up winning in spite of going against a mobile QB.

Back to my point: we don't need a good DT QB to win games or even championships.

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You really need to just stop with the “Hurts is a good passer” talk.

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His stats were fairly comparable to Fromm, who is a pure pocket passer. Hurts isn't an elite passer by any stretch but he's good enough to start at Alabama and lead them to two NCG appearances. They just seem to have a better horse to run now.

My point was that he is a good DT QB who we shut down in the NCG while our freshman PP QB nearly had a win against the mighty Bama. It was said that we need "a QB that can take over a game both passing and running" to beat teams like Bama and I'm arguing that that's hogwash.

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Saban made sure Tua got real reps in games.

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I don't think that's why he did that. I think when you're not sure which player is better that person gets meaningful reps.

Each game matters in college football. You can't just throw away possessions against good teams in order to get your back up reps in meaningful situations.

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We don't necessarily need a DT QB to win a championship, which, again, was my initial point.



Sure, but Odds of beating Bama go up with a qb who can pass very well and get key yards with his legs. It could very well be the difference between a championship or not. One first down can be game changing. We needed one so badly in that 4th q. Absurd for you claim otherwise

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This one. On the previous page.

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Yes, DT QB's many of the not good DT QB's make those mistakes. Jalen Hurts is a QB who fits your description.

We are talking about the good kind who maintain eyes downfield, but know where the first down marker is to get a key first down.

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Hurts knows how to do that, too, and has done it many, many times.

My point was that there's nothing magical about a DT QB that requires us to play one every game to ensure we win a NC. Regardless of the type of QB we start, they have be smart and make good decisions.

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It would be nice. Thats how loaded Bama is.

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I was using sarcasm to express the absurdity of the thought that Hurts is a bad QB, or at least not a good QB. As a freshman, he was on par with some of the better QBs in the conference (Dobbs specifically) who were upperclassmen.

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Saban made sure Tua got real reps in games. Many coaches dont do that. Heck, Saban didnt do that in 2016. Smart didnt do that with Eason.

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Tua got "real reps" in the 3rd and 4th quarters when Bama was beating the snot out of their opponents. They just let him throw it more than we let Eason. Regardless, the point is that he was obviously not the starter last year and Saban only put him in against us because he wanted to try something different to get his team a spark after Hurts struggled. Tua was not the "better" QB in Saban's mind last season or else he would have played him more than mop up duty.