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re: Fields will Redshirt (Official Prediction)
Posted on 4/22/18 at 11:12 pm to Barstools
Posted on 4/22/18 at 11:12 pm to Barstools
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Page 1. It's in my third post.
Lol
Too funny.
You say that Fields is the backup... unless he beats out Fromm for the starting job in which case he plays.
No shite. Really? That isn't a point. That isn't a contribution. And that isn't the same thing as saying that fields should redshirt this year because he would be the 2nd stringer. You are stating the obvious that Fields is the backup until he is not.
Nice dance. I'm done. I can agree to disagree.
Yes. You care more about 2022 than 2018 and 2019.
Yes. You want to call upon a 2nd stringer with zero experience in a game that matters for the sole purpose of maybe being better in 2022.
Yes. You want to call upon a 2nd stringer in 2019 who has a less than stellar off season because he doesn't have game film that he can share with his personal qb coach who can design a 6 month workout specifically designed for the mechanic issues that develop when under pressure... because you care more about 2022.
We are different. We disagree. I can live with that. I'm happy with that. Hell. Im proud of that. Good night.
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Posted on 4/22/18 at 11:15 pm to Barstools
This just in... CKS and Justin Fields will not be consulting “Bar stools” about redshirting.
Posted on 4/22/18 at 11:36 pm to Long Dawg
You're getting way too worked up over this.
Posted on 4/22/18 at 11:43 pm to Barstools
The only peeps getting worked up are the ones who thought there was no competition.....those like you.
Posted on 4/22/18 at 11:44 pm to meansonny
The point is we're talking about him coming into games in packages to get experience. That's not the same thing as him taking the position from Jake.
What my whole point has been, the entire time, there is no reason to burn a red shirt just to get him snaps in meaningless mop up duty against shitty teams.
What my whole point has been, the entire time, there is no reason to burn a red shirt just to get him snaps in meaningless mop up duty against shitty teams.
Posted on 4/22/18 at 11:47 pm to Long Dawg
I hope he wins the job from Fromm. That would be the best case scenario because if he is that good, we will be in the playoffs again.
If he doesn't, he should redshirt unless Fromm gets hurt.
If he doesn't, he should redshirt unless Fromm gets hurt.
This post was edited on 4/22/18 at 11:48 pm
Posted on 4/23/18 at 10:06 am to Barstools
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I hope he wins the job from Fromm. That would be the best case scenario because if he is that good, we will be in the playoffs again.
If he doesn't, he should redshirt unless Fromm gets hurt.
What FIELDS possesses that FROMM doesn't have is the ability to elevate his game in a way that DeShaun Watson did against Bama - the way Vince Young did against USC - when facing a dominant defense - the ability to just take the game over anyway regardless of how good the opposing defense.
I don't see any issues with FROMM being able to navigate the DAWGS through most of their schedule - but when you are facing the bully - BAMA - you need a QB that can take over a game both passing and running.
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 10:30 am
Posted on 4/23/18 at 11:04 am to Barstools
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want him coming in up 2 scores against any of those teams you just mentioned unless he beats out Fromm and takes his job. If he's not good enough to start I'm not letting him come I to a 2 score SEC game for experience. Sorry
Even if it would be the difference between a win and a loss.
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 11:07 am
Posted on 4/23/18 at 11:56 am to Long Dawg
quote:In fairness, Hurts was supposed to be this way and we held him in check during the NCG. That helmet deflection INT was the difference in the game. They got momentum back and took it from there. We got too conservative and paid for it in the end. We still almost beat them with Fromm.
I don't see any issues with FROMM being able to navigate the DAWGS through most of their schedule - but when you are facing the bully - BAMA - you need a QB that can take over a game both passing and running.
Fields is still an unknown until he hits the field. It's obvious he's got something special going on but just as Fromm wasn't going to be put in a position to win games unless Eason went down, so too will Fields be held out from anything significant until Fromm shows he can't get it done. If he plays, Fields will be put in to mix things up and play games with the opponents. He's not going to be called on to win us any games unless Fromm loses the job.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 11:59 am to FooManChoo
Hurts doesn’t have the arm to take over passing. Never has had it.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 12:30 pm to djsdawg
quote:Hurts does have the arm to take over passing. He's thrown some pretty good bombs the past two years and makes most if not all the throws he needs to make with his arm. His issues have been more mental than physical, throwing into coverage and staring down receivers after bad pre-snap reads. Tua has a better arm but that's not why he was put in the game against us.
Hurts doesn’t have the arm to take over passing. Never has had it.
My point was that Hurts can sling the ball around and run with mobility and we were able to shut him down. Meanwhile, we had a pure pocket passer with fairly good legs for a white boy who would pull the ball down a few times a game and he nearly took care of business against the mighty Bama. If not for that blown coverage on the very last play of the game, we may have still pulled out a W.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 12:56 pm to FooManChoo
Whatever is needed to be a really good passer, hurts doesn’t have it. A stat review in big games proves He has been limited as a passer his whole career unless he is playing sisters of the blind. Tua is the qb that can do both well and saw how the 2nd half went.
This post was edited on 4/23/18 at 1:16 pm
Posted on 4/23/18 at 2:00 pm to djsdawg
Hurts lacks the awareness and the decision-making skills to be a top tier QB. Tua has the physical talent but we'll see where his head is at. He made some bad decisions against us, too, but his good ones overshadowed them.
My point, again, is that Fromm almost took down Bama without having elite mobility while Bama's dual-threat QB struggled against us. We might eventually have to look to Fields to win it all, but I don't think it's necessary at this point. Fromm as a Freshman helped orchestrate a national title run that came up just short. I'm excited to see what he can do going forward, but it's a good problem to have to be arguing about which QB will bring us a championship.
My point, again, is that Fromm almost took down Bama without having elite mobility while Bama's dual-threat QB struggled against us. We might eventually have to look to Fields to win it all, but I don't think it's necessary at this point. Fromm as a Freshman helped orchestrate a national title run that came up just short. I'm excited to see what he can do going forward, but it's a good problem to have to be arguing about which QB will bring us a championship.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 2:02 pm to FooManChoo
If you think Jalen Hurts has the ability to takeover a game, you haven’t been paying attention.
You have to be really good passing and running. Hurts is only good at one.
You have to be really good passing and running. Hurts is only good at one.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 2:40 pm to FooManChoo
Uga had a qb advantage in the first half of the game and saban knew it. Hurts was bad enough as a passer to more than counter bama's Overall talent advantage.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 2:51 pm to Long Dawg
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What FIELDS possesses that FROMM doesn't have is the ability to elevate his game in a way that DeShaun Watson did against Bama -
Holy shite. A guy who has never played a snap of college football is suddenly has the ability of DeShaun Watson. I hope he does, but damn this is a bit premature.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 3:20 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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Holy shite. A guy who has never played a snap of college football is suddenly has the ability of DeShaun Watson. I hope he does, but damn this is a bit premature.
sorry, I have been watching FIELDS play for my kids' school - Harrison High - for the last two years. While he is new to you, he is not new to me. I believe I have a good idea of his capabilities.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 4:01 pm to Long Dawg
quote:He showed plenty of ability his freshman season. The guy got SEC offensive player of the year as a freshman and broke all sorts of freshman records for Alabama, which given its history, is a big deal.
If you think Jalen Hurts has the ability to takeover a game, you haven’t been paying attention.
But honestly I don't care whether or not Hurts is on the same level as Fields or Watson or anyone else. That wasn't my point. I was specifically addressing the concern that we need an elite dual threat QB to take down Alabama and used Hurts as an example of how our team held him in check while our freshman pocket passer nearly took them down.
quote:Again, I don't care too much about Hurts except to talk about how we don't need Fields to win it all (though I'd be happy if he helped us do that). Hurts completed 60%+ of his passes both his freshman and sophomore seasons and only had one interception this past year. Pretty good for someone who isn't a good passer. Meanwhile he was very mobile and made it tough for defenses to defend him. If he had better pocket presence and made better decisions (he got bailed out a lot by his elite receivers), he would have been a monster.
You have to be really good passing and running. Hurts is only good at one.
I'm tapping the brakes a bit on Fields because we haven't really seen him in action in SEC football. No matter how talented a kid is and how dominant he was in high school, it's a different level in college, and even a higher level in the SEC. I hope he blows everyone away but I'm not ready to crown him the GOAT that will lead us on our way to achieving all our hopes and dreams just yet.
Posted on 4/23/18 at 4:14 pm to FooManChoo
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was specifically addressing the concern that we need an elite dual threat QB to take down Alabama and used Hurts as an example of how our team held him in check while our freshman pocket passer nearly took them down.
Since hurts isn’t an elite dual threat was it a good decision to use him to make your point about elite dual threats?
Posted on 4/23/18 at 5:04 pm to FooManChoo
I like FROMM and he was very good last year - very impressive. It certainly is fair to want to "wait and see" with FIELDS - I understand why some are skeptical - I am just not skeptical at all as I have been watching him for a long time. On top of the physical skills that are obvious to all, FIELDS is super smart(29 on ACT) and was offered by ivy league schools such as Harvard. Processing the game won't be a problem for FIELDS just the way it wasn't a problem for FROMM.
I don't care which is QB1 when we when our Natty - as long as the DAWGS win one. I just know that Nick Saban and Bama have a much tougher time with the dual-threat QBs that are both smart, athletic and good passers (Hurts is not good passer).
I don't care which is QB1 when we when our Natty - as long as the DAWGS win one. I just know that Nick Saban and Bama have a much tougher time with the dual-threat QBs that are both smart, athletic and good passers (Hurts is not good passer).
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