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David Greene and Jake Fromm
Posted on 6/24/19 at 8:03 pm
Posted on 6/24/19 at 8:03 pm
Obviously there are some serious statistical similarities - previous 2 seasons as starters.
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^^^Also 1-1 in SECCGs with the losses coming to Saban.
...Imo David Greene had better receivers (Fred Gibson and Terrence Gibson and Reggie Brown were wishy washy and inconsistent at times, but they could all GO). Also Fromm has had a better offensive line, even though the early Richt O lines were solid.
Also think that David Greene had better defenses on the other side. The 2003 Dawg D was the best of my Dawg memory. Motherfrigging Pollack, Thomas Davis, Odell, Greg Blue and then there were 3 or 4 other edge rushers who played in the NFL.
Both have been all-time DGDs and honorable Dawgs.
However, I feel better about Fromm going into Year 3 than I did Greene for several reasons. For one, the NFL people generally think that Fromm is better and will be the better pro by far. Fromm can sling it.
Fromm this season just has to avoid that one game where he doesn't completely crap the bed. On paper it would be the Auburn game, because those were the only two times that he's completely crapped the bed - (SEC West road games, Auburn and LSU).
^^^The Texas game doesn't count. Nobody Georgia wanted to be there. Not the team. Not the fans. Nobody.
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That's asking a lot to not have a single bad game all season, but there's such a thin line in college football and only one team out of 130 can win the national championship. It's the difference between being an all-time legend (borderline Herschel status) and being David Greene!!!!
13-1
11-3
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13-2
11-3
^^^Also 1-1 in SECCGs with the losses coming to Saban.
...Imo David Greene had better receivers (Fred Gibson and Terrence Gibson and Reggie Brown were wishy washy and inconsistent at times, but they could all GO). Also Fromm has had a better offensive line, even though the early Richt O lines were solid.
Also think that David Greene had better defenses on the other side. The 2003 Dawg D was the best of my Dawg memory. Motherfrigging Pollack, Thomas Davis, Odell, Greg Blue and then there were 3 or 4 other edge rushers who played in the NFL.
Both have been all-time DGDs and honorable Dawgs.
However, I feel better about Fromm going into Year 3 than I did Greene for several reasons. For one, the NFL people generally think that Fromm is better and will be the better pro by far. Fromm can sling it.
Fromm this season just has to avoid that one game where he doesn't completely crap the bed. On paper it would be the Auburn game, because those were the only two times that he's completely crapped the bed - (SEC West road games, Auburn and LSU).
^^^The Texas game doesn't count. Nobody Georgia wanted to be there. Not the team. Not the fans. Nobody.
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That's asking a lot to not have a single bad game all season, but there's such a thin line in college football and only one team out of 130 can win the national championship. It's the difference between being an all-time legend (borderline Herschel status) and being David Greene!!!!
This post was edited on 6/25/19 at 3:21 pm
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Posted on 6/24/19 at 8:43 pm to BoneDrownedDave
Greene was a consistent performer. But I don't think he could win you a game. I think Fromm has that ability. Greene had "those games" just like Fromm v AU and LSU.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 8:57 pm to BoneDrownedDave
Too many differences, the biggest was that era did not have a program that is comparable to what Bama has built. Miami was good but not Bama on the last decade good, same with USC.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 9:05 pm to lewis and herschel
Greene had an excellent offensive line.
The difference will be 2019. Fromm's line will be upper-classmen.
This will be the greatest top to bottom combination of talent for UGAs offense. Upperclassmen everywhere.
The difference will be 2019. Fromm's line will be upper-classmen.
This will be the greatest top to bottom combination of talent for UGAs offense. Upperclassmen everywhere.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 9:28 pm to BoneDrownedDave
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^^^The Texas game doesn't count. Nobody Georgia wanted to be there. Not the team. Not the fans. Nobody.
You sir are wrong. The only dawg to get off the bus for texas was Brian Herrien.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 9:55 pm to BoneDrownedDave
Greene and Fromm had two different styles and two different tasks. You can compare their records but it tells us nothing about what kind of QB Greene was and Fromm is.
For the team Greene had, he did a great job all four years. Fromm did a fantastic job in 2017, but was less spectacular in 2018. I believe he didn't adjust well to his new role last season as a player that had to make plays instead of manage the game. 2019 is the year Fromm needs to step up and be a star on the team.
For the team Greene had, he did a great job all four years. Fromm did a fantastic job in 2017, but was less spectacular in 2018. I believe he didn't adjust well to his new role last season as a player that had to make plays instead of manage the game. 2019 is the year Fromm needs to step up and be a star on the team.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:06 pm to AlaCowboy
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2019 is the year Fromm needs to step up and be a star on the team.
Well said and agree. If Fromm is a star we'll be very good next year. But he does need to become a play maker in his own right.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:14 pm to WorkinDawg
Green couldn’t win you a game, huh? Hobnail boot game ring any memories for you?
Posted on 6/24/19 at 10:22 pm to WorkinDawg
quote:DG destroyed Saban and LSU in Athens. Nicky was pacing back and forth like a madman and tearing his hair out.
Greene was a consistent performer. But I don't think he could win you a game
Posted on 6/25/19 at 1:21 am to BoneDrownedDave
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Fred Gibson and Terrence Gibson and Reggie Brown
You misspelled someone’s name and you didn’t even include me in the list.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 7:01 am to Whiznot
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DG destroyed Saban and LSU in Athens. Nicky was pacing back and forth like a madman and tearing his hair out.
He had a nice day. Completed about 50% of his passes for under 200 yards (and yes, 5 touchdowns) and LSU only scored 16 points. If Greene was the QB, there is no way Georgia wins games like the 2013 LSU game or the Rose Bowl against Oklahoma.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 8:01 am to BoneDrownedDave
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Obviously there are some serious statistical similarities - previous 2 seasons as starters.
13-1
11-3
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13-2
11-3
For the sake of this discussion I don't think record really matters too terribly much. For instance freshman aaron murray had a pretty darn good season but we had a losing record. Also your year comparisons are kinda funky, IMO, considering one was a sophomore and junior and the other was a freshman and sophomore
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I feel better about Fromm going into Year 3 than I did Greene for several reasons.
I can see that, I have full faith in Fromm. However there was zero reason at all to have any doubts about Greene going into his senior season either.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 8:01 am to WorkinDawg
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Greene was a consistent performer. But I don't think he could win you a game
lolwut
Posted on 6/25/19 at 8:02 am to meansonny
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Greene had an excellent offensive line.
The 2 seasons mentioned in OP were 02 and 03. The 02 line was excellent, and probably comparable to our current ones. The 03 line was atrocious and one of the worst we've had in decades. It replaced all 5 starters and gave up almost 50 sacks that year.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 9:53 am to BoneDrownedDave
Good Lord it's not even close.Fromm had the best Freshman year ever for a UGA QB and he was a true freshman unlike DG or AM.The only QB to have a better seasonal QBR than Fromm was AM and that was as a 5th year senior.
And Grene had a better OC and QB coach IMO.
And Grene had a better OC and QB coach IMO.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 10:40 am to WorkinDawg
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Greene was a consistent performer. But I don't think he could win you a game.
I think you have this backwards. Name another QB in school history as good as him with the game on the line.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 10:51 am to dawgdayafternoon
Yeah, I mean there are things that we can knock greene for especially in hindsight after having seen a number of really great QBs come after him, but "not winning you a game" is about dead last on the list.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 11:34 am to GeorgiaBoy
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Green couldn’t win you a game, huh? Hobnail boot game ring any memories for you?
Hobnail Boot game and AU in their house for an SECCG berth. Also the LSU blow-out in 2004.After those 3 though...kinda meh.
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Posted on 6/25/19 at 11:43 am to UnderDog68
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Hobnail Boot game and AU in their house for an SECCG berth. After those 2 though...kinda meh.
Well to be fair those were both extremely major wins. A few others that fell short due to other factors:
01 SC: down by 1 late drove us down with a few minutes left to kick the go ahead FG (defense lost it at the end)
01 AU: Down 6 drove us down to the goal line before the inexplicable play call to run
02 CU: Trailed entering the 4th quarter and ended up with 10 unanswered points to win
04 SC: Down 16-0 early and came back to win 20-16
04 gt: not come from behind but he left early and shockely came in and was absolutely dreadful the entire game so we had to put a hurt DG back in to seal it
Not all as dramatic as the other 2 of course but it's not like those are the only 2 big games he had when things were on the line
Posted on 6/25/19 at 12:40 pm to BoneDrownedDave
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^^^The Texas game doesn't count. Nobody Georgia wanted to be there. Not the team. Not the fans. Nobody.
But it does count. You can't just dismiss the Sugar Bowl because our team came out flat flooted.
This is one of the excuses I hate the most "we didn't care about the sugar bowl". That's utter bullshite and if the players truly did not care then we should be grilling the entire coaching staff for letting them open their mouths on twitter and then not show up in the damn Sugar Bowl.
Kirby should have been running Sanford with the team and should have repossessed every item the players received for playing in the Bowl Game.
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