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re: David Greene and Jake Fromm
Posted on 6/25/19 at 12:59 pm to LarryCulpepper
Posted on 6/25/19 at 12:59 pm to LarryCulpepper
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But it does count. You can't just dismiss the Sugar Bowl because our team came out flat flooted
Agree with this, all games count the same whether we like them or not.
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"we didn't care about the sugar bowl". That's utter bull shite
I don't necessarily agree with this, I think it was pretty clear our hearts weren't into it. And it's not just that game either, I mean look at the nichols state game in 2016, do you really think we were only 2 points better of a football team than them or do you think we came out not really caring/focused? Our sugar bowl was the same thing as bama's in 08 against utah and auburn last year against UCF...when you lose in the SECCG and all of your goals are gone and you essentially don't have much left to play for, it can be easy for these 18-21 year olds to not really care. Look no further than our best defensive player who cared so little that he sat himself out.
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Posted on 6/25/19 at 1:33 pm to WG_Dawg
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it can be easy for these 18-21 year olds to not really care
I can understand this, but the real head scratcher for me was that CKS seemed just as aloof and disinterested as any of the players. IIRC, Kirby was uncharacteristically calm during the game, even during the mistakes.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 2:23 pm to BoneDrownedDave
Fred Gibson and Terrence Gibson and Reggie Brown were wishy washy and inconsistent at times, but they could all GO)
Terrance Edwards and yesss you are correct that group has been better than what Fromm has had so far at receiver. What comes to mind is the Terrance Edward's drops vs USC in 2001 and Florida in 2002. MEH. But overall he was great for us
Terrance Edwards and yesss you are correct that group has been better than what Fromm has had so far at receiver. What comes to mind is the Terrance Edward's drops vs USC in 2001 and Florida in 2002. MEH. But overall he was great for us
Posted on 6/25/19 at 3:10 pm to WG_Dawg
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Our sugar bowl was the same thing as bama's in 08 against utah and auburn last year against UCF...when you lose in the SECCG and all of your goals are gone and you essentially don't have much left to play for, it can be easy for these 18-21 year olds to not really care. Look no further than our best defensive player who cared so little that he sat himself out.
That's one approach to it, sure. The other is to do what Miami did to Texas in the 1991 Cotton Bowl and just go out and prison rape the other team, just to show how good your team really is.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 3:16 pm to LarryCulpepper
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That's utter bullshite
Wouldn't say we "didn't care" but we certainly weren't
às focused as we should have been and that goes for the coaching staff as well.Chaney had one foot out the door
and we obviously lost Mel.
The game was HUGE for Texas.From their fans to the coaching staff to the players.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 3:19 pm to Bossbailey34
In terms of competition, I'd put LSU 2003 right up there amongst Saban's best teams ever, if not the best. Also, 2004 Auburn, I hate to say it, was one of the best teams in SEC history. They beat our dicks off that year. However, 2002 definitely was a down year in the SEC.
I also agree with the Dawg fan who said that Greene had better coaching. That's back when Richt was a young and hungry coach who'd already put all of those QBs at Florida State into the NFL. He was the quarterback whisperer.
The other poster said that it's hard to compare Greene and Fromm's situation. I wouldn't really agree with that. Both had the ol game manager role and played to their defenses. In my opinion there's quite a bit of overlap between Greene and Fromm.
To this point I still think that Fromm was the better quarterback and better than Greene ever was. To his credit Greene had a lot of comebacks, but part of the reason was because he was so underwhelming the first three quarters. The 2002 Auburn game was maddening and it was hard to watch our offense. They kept farting around and it should've never came down to the Michael Johnson catch.
Fromm's stats last year were misleading, because we kicked so much arse and he barely played any of the third quarter or any of the fourth quarter in roughly half of our games. With a shitty defense, Fromm's stats would've been closer to 40-something TDs and to 4,000 yards last season in my opinion.
Again, just my opinion, but I think that Fromm was more productive and played better last season than David Greene ever played at Georgia, and that was as a true sohomore.
I also agree with the Dawg fan who said that Greene had better coaching. That's back when Richt was a young and hungry coach who'd already put all of those QBs at Florida State into the NFL. He was the quarterback whisperer.
The other poster said that it's hard to compare Greene and Fromm's situation. I wouldn't really agree with that. Both had the ol game manager role and played to their defenses. In my opinion there's quite a bit of overlap between Greene and Fromm.
To this point I still think that Fromm was the better quarterback and better than Greene ever was. To his credit Greene had a lot of comebacks, but part of the reason was because he was so underwhelming the first three quarters. The 2002 Auburn game was maddening and it was hard to watch our offense. They kept farting around and it should've never came down to the Michael Johnson catch.
Fromm's stats last year were misleading, because we kicked so much arse and he barely played any of the third quarter or any of the fourth quarter in roughly half of our games. With a shitty defense, Fromm's stats would've been closer to 40-something TDs and to 4,000 yards last season in my opinion.
Again, just my opinion, but I think that Fromm was more productive and played better last season than David Greene ever played at Georgia, and that was as a true sohomore.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 5:08 pm to BoneDrownedDave
Any of Bamas recent NC teams would beat the hell out of Sabans LSU NC team or Auburns left out team. Bama 2012 would be better at every position against either.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 5:55 pm to WG_Dawg
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Yeah, I mean there are things that we can knock greene for especially in hindsight after having seen a number of really great QBs come after him, but "not winning you a game" is about dead last on the list.
Let me restate- Greene is a great QB who started for 4 years and graduated as the winningest QB in SEC history. Of course he engineered critical wins during his run.
My point is this- if I had to pick a QB in a must-win game I'd pick Fromm. Fromm just has the moxie that most don't. That said, he's been a no-show a few times as well.
Posted on 6/25/19 at 7:45 pm to AlaCowboy
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For the team Greene had, he did a great job all four years
I'd say he had an average Jr year.(13 TD,11 Int) and he never had a single year statistically better than Fromm in '17 or '18
This post was edited on 6/25/19 at 7:55 pm
Posted on 6/25/19 at 7:51 pm to AlaCowboy
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Fromm did a fantastic job in 2017, but was less spectacular in 2018
From had a better year in every statisticle category in '18.He threw 4 more TD's and one less int.It was the 2nd highest QBR in UGA history.
This post was edited on 6/25/19 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 6/26/19 at 10:39 pm to RD Dawg
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For the team Greene had, he did a great job all four years
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I'd say he had an average Jr year.(13 TD,11 Int) and he never had a single year statistically better than Fromm in '17 or '18
In my post I said that their jobs were different, and comparing the two by stats is misleading. Greene never had the RBs Fromm had in 2017, and just because Fromm had better stats doesn't mean he did a better job at what his goal was than what Greene did.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 4:38 am to AlaCowboy
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I'd say he had an average Jr year.(13 TD,11 Int)
We had 10 new starters on offense that year..
Posted on 6/27/19 at 5:28 am to Dawgfanman
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We had 10 new starters on offense that year..
I know Ben Watson and Fred Gibson were both returning starters and the other reciever was Reggie Brown... pretty impressive group and it was still a very talented team.Igt was his 4th year in the system and really no excuse for those numbers with those recievers.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 5:46 am to RD Dawg
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quote: We had 10 new starters on offense that year.. I know Ben Watson and Fred Gibson were both returning starters and the other reciever was Reggie Brown... pretty impressive group and it was still a very talented team.Igt was his 4th year in the system and really no excuse for those numbers with those recievers.
Greene’s Junior year was 2003. I think I’m remembering wrong about the season and maybe just remembering the Clemson game when half the team was suspsended. I know we lost a lot off 2002.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 5:47 am to RD Dawg
That was his 3rd year in the Richt system. 5 of those INT's came vs LSU. He had an injured knee from the 1st LSU game, and it might have been our worst OL ever, so maybe there were some excuses for it.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 8:25 am to grey
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IIRC, Kirby was uncharacteristically calm during the game, even during the mistakes.
I think it is more a matter of coaching tecnique than anything.
When you are playing an inferior team and are winning handily, a coach (Sometimes) will holler and scream at the players mistakes in order to get them to concentrate and put forth maximum effort.
When playing a worthy foe in a close game (or you are losing) some coaches will remain calm in order to not put more pressure on the players and making them tight which could lead to more mistakes. They go into more of an encouragement/instructing type of coaching. They might, however turn their aggression more on to the referees in order to vent and try to get more favorable calls to turn the momentum of a game.
Every coach has a different philosophy on how to coach, but I suspect this is Kirby's.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 8:44 am to djsdawg
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That was his 3rd year in the Richt system
Fromm had a better FIRST year as a true freshman than Green had in any of his 4 years. And Green had a better OC and QB coach IMO.
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it might have been our worst OL ever
Not even close to '16 or '15.And both OT's played in the NFL.Inman had 10+ years I believe.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 10:28 am to RD Dawg
I asked my friend who played at UGA and in the NFL.
"Game on the line...who do you want under center?"
David Greene everytime. Said he has never played with anyone that cool. Moment was never too big. I see alot of that in Fromm too.
"Game on the line...who do you want under center?"
David Greene everytime. Said he has never played with anyone that cool. Moment was never too big. I see alot of that in Fromm too.
Posted on 6/27/19 at 12:04 pm to BoneDrownedDave
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They beat our dicks off
Posted on 6/27/19 at 4:57 pm to AlaCowboy
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In my post I said that their jobs were different, and comparing the two by stats is misleading
Ok.Look at each career path.Fromm was a TRUE freshman who put up better numbers than any QB in the modern era...it's not even close.
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