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re: Damn hard to watch OSU this weekend

Posted on 10/27/20 at 4:06 pm to
Posted by chillmonster
Atlanta, GA
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 10/27/20 at 4:06 pm to
There are other ways around this.

1. Completely dominate the LoS - not going to happen.

2. Have your defensive backs shut down their wide receivers - not going to happen.

3. Play the perfect game offensively - not going to happen this year.

We have to stretch the field, be explosive, and do it without pressing - playing within the offense. I think it's the only option.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25870 posts
Posted on 10/27/20 at 5:40 pm to
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Against almost every team in CFB this isn't an issue

The "almost" is the problem. We need to beat the teams who can create that issue.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25870 posts
Posted on 10/27/20 at 5:42 pm to
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Nothing wrong with the offense in
the 1st half.

Yes, but when adversity struck, UGA was not explosive enough to overcome it and score points. Mostly because the QB was out of his depth.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12413 posts
Posted on 10/27/20 at 6:45 pm to
Catch a couple footballs, run the right hot reads and we don’t need explosive. With that said, the explosive TD to #4 was good .
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32757 posts
Posted on 10/27/20 at 6:49 pm to
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Yes, but when adversity struck, UGA was not explosive enough to overcome it and score points. Mostly because the QB was out of his depth.


Yea. Maybe because the qb we signed to do these things quit like a dumbass bitch. Why did you and others ignore that season changing event?
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25870 posts
Posted on 10/27/20 at 7:13 pm to
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Yea. Maybe because the qb we signed to do these things quit like a dumbass bitch. Why did you and others ignore that season changing event?

What? I'm not ignoring it.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
44668 posts
Posted on 10/28/20 at 7:26 am to
Fun stat:

Only 5 of the last 20 national champions have averaged under 37 ppg on offense:

2002 Ohio State (29.9)
2003 LSU (33.9)
2006 Florida (29.7)
2009 Alabama (32.1)
2015 Alabama (35.1)

The last 5 national champions have averaged:

35.1
39.2
37.1
44.3
48.4

Ball control and great defense won't cut it anymore. When you get into these huge games against great teams, you're going to need to put 40+ points on the board.
This post was edited on 10/28/20 at 7:28 am
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12413 posts
Posted on 10/28/20 at 7:53 am to
I think y’all miss the point. When you play great defense and get 1st downs, big plays will happen. On offense and defense. As the game goes on and the opposing defense tires, 5 yard runs turn into 50: yard runs. Receivers get open on PA as LBs and safety’s start to cheat. Circling back to the Bama game, they didn’t beat us because they were explosive. They beat us because their QB had plenty of time to wait for long plays to develop with their elite receivers who had man coverage. If we have a consistent pass rush in that game, y’all would be whispering Stetson for Heisman.
Posted by VADawg
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Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 10/28/20 at 7:59 am to
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When you play great defense and get 1st downs, big plays will happen.


Playing great defense in this era just doesn't exist against elite competition anymore. Our defense played as well as anyone against LSU last year (except Auburn, who had an amazing DL and played them on a wet field) and "only" gave up 37 points.

Those are the kinds of offenses we're going to have to beat to win a title.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27291 posts
Posted on 10/28/20 at 8:33 am to
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The last 5 national champions have averaged:

35.1
39.2
37.1
44.3
48.4

Ball control and great defense won't cut it anymore. When you get into these huge games against great teams, you're going to need to put 40+ points on the board.




We averaged 35
+ ppg in '17 and 38 ppg in '18 with an offense the "ate up" 1st downs.

Bama had an offense in '18 that was more explosive (45 ppg) than it's '17 team (37 ppg) but ultimately lost because their defense wasn't as good and didn't have more of a ball control offense vs Clemson.

Lets also not forget that Venables got a huge assist from Kirby
This post was edited on 10/28/20 at 8:52 am
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12413 posts
Posted on 10/28/20 at 8:50 am to
LSU last year is a great example.Their #1 RB had over 200 rushing attempts and average d 6.6 yards per carry. Burrow had 115 rushes... their QB had 115 rushes. Their top receiver Jefferson averaged 13.9 yards per catch. They were very balanced. Their QB was a running threat and they were not afraid to use him to run. They scored a lot because they were so balanced. You play zone, they throw it to the soft spots. You play man they run it for 6.6 yards. You blitz, their receivers and QB made the reads and burned you. They beat you because they kept getting first downs. Their big plays were set up because they could run effectively and their receivers could make the right reads. ...and yes, LSU lead all the NCAA in 1st downs. Thats not a team that relies on big plays. That’s a balanced team who wears you down, frustrates you, and pops big plays when you get tired or try to take chances with blitzes.
Posted by runningdog
Dawg Nation
Member since Jan 2011
798 posts
Posted on 10/28/20 at 9:52 am to
I don’t disagree with your post, but you segue into an area of concern. GA recruits as well as anyone on the defensive side of the ball and is coached by a guy with impeccable defensive credentials. How were Kirby and company so badly out coached? I’m not being flippant. I respect your opinion and would like your take on this.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12413 posts
Posted on 10/28/20 at 10:00 am to
Against Bama?
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25870 posts
Posted on 10/28/20 at 10:00 am to
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GA recruits as well as anyone on the defensive side of the ball and is coached by a guy with impeccable defensive credentials. How were Kirby and company so badly out coached?

I’m not Peter Buck, but if offensive holding is not enforced, you will not be able to get a consistent pass rush against a capable offensive line (which Bama definitely has) without blitzing like crazy. That leaves you even more exposed on the back end, and no college DBs are going to be able to cover Waddle and Smith all game either (a) without a pass rush or (b) without significant help.

It was a little disappointing that they were able to run the ball effectively, but once the defense gets gassed and loses belief, all bets are off in that regard.
This post was edited on 10/28/20 at 10:02 am
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12413 posts
Posted on 10/28/20 at 10:37 am to
Agree with that and on offense, we didn’t make them pay for their blitzes. We had receivers not making their hot reads. That’s on the coaches I guess, but it puts the QB in a pickle. We also dropped Tds and had a ball bounce off our hands into the defenses hand while threatening to score. We make the right reads and catch the ball a few more times and we score more and Bama has less possessions.

On defense, when we blitzed, Bama blocked us and beat us 1 on 1 with those receivers. Bama took what we gave them and executed better. Frankly, I think we tried to be disruptive on defense and take chances and we got beat. We also got held mercilessly, as the football wold knows, but not much we can do about it now,
Posted by runningdog
Dawg Nation
Member since Jan 2011
798 posts
Posted on 10/28/20 at 12:29 pm to
To buy the holding argument, you have to be willing to accept that the SEC is corrupt. Almost every team that plays Bama makes the same argument.

If true, why have this discussion at all? You can’t beat corruption, e.g. Bama under the Bear, imo. The better question is why do SEC schools put up with it.
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
11363 posts
Posted on 10/28/20 at 1:03 pm to
QB play is about confidence. When wrs start dripping balls it creates a dip in confidence.

We need wrs that will catch everything thrown AT them.

We all know Stet is not an NFL talent, they have to help him out because it appears, he is the only qb who can run out offense at this moment
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12413 posts
Posted on 10/28/20 at 1:42 pm to
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To buy the holding argument, you have to be willing to accept that the SEC is corrupt. Almost every team that plays Bama makes the same argument.

If true, why have this discussion at all? You can’t beat corruption, e.g. Bama under the Bear, imo. The better question is why do SEC schools put up with it.


It is frustrating. I assume coaches don’t bitch too much because they are all millionaires now and don’t want to be on the bad side of the refs. They are always talented on the line, so it is not like they have scrubs doing it, but they get away with it and it makes it hard to watch when you are someone who likes to watch line play. Regardless, we need to find a way to beat it, because it is clear that we won’t be getting the calls against them.
Posted by Crowknowsbest
Member since May 2012
25870 posts
Posted on 10/28/20 at 2:25 pm to
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To buy the holding argument, you have to be willing to accept that the SEC is corrupt

I’m not talking about Bama. They don’t call holding in college football unless the OT tackles the outside pass rusher.
Posted by FaCubeItches
Soviet Monica, People's Republic CA
Member since Sep 2012
5875 posts
Posted on 10/29/20 at 4:01 am to
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With OUR quarterback at the helm. Think what our program could have been had thing gone a little differently.


YOUR quarterback? He was ours first, and God knows we could have used him against Indi-frickin'-ana.
- Penn State
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