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re: Check out this video of UGA student getting arrested
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:32 pm to WG_Dawg
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:32 pm to WG_Dawg
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Shoudl the cop have said "oh well, chalk that up to bad luck" and just let him go? What else shoudl he have done?
Most of these guys have what borders on military training. They know how to subdue a perp. Not beat the shite out of one.
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:41 pm to DawgsLife
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You are in for some tough lessons, then. You will learn to respect positions if not the person. If you do not like your boss, and therefor do not respect him, you had better treat him/her with respect because of the position they hold, or you want stay in a job for any length of time.
While I appreciate the condescending response, I'm well aware of the difference between showing respect and actually respecting someone.
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:45 pm to HinesvilleThrill
The kid was being a drunken idiot and I thought the cop actually handled it relatively ok at first. But when the kid is just laying on the ground, the cop is way out of line.
WG, I understand the kid wouldn't be in this position if he didn't act like a complete dumbass, but that shouldn't excuse the cop's actions. He still has a responsibility as a police officer (and as a normal human being) not to take excessive force when it isn't needed, and it wasn't even close to being needed.
WG, I understand the kid wouldn't be in this position if he didn't act like a complete dumbass, but that shouldn't excuse the cop's actions. He still has a responsibility as a police officer (and as a normal human being) not to take excessive force when it isn't needed, and it wasn't even close to being needed.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 1:53 pm to Dawgsontop34
34 is right.
The kid is bombed...of course he's being a dumbass. Rookie freshman can't hold his liquor. Cop should have shown more restraint.
The kid is bombed...of course he's being a dumbass. Rookie freshman can't hold his liquor. Cop should have shown more restraint.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 2:19 pm to Crowknowsbest
My bad, didn't mean to hit reply to you, Crow.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 2:36 pm to RedPants
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While I appreciate the condescending response,
I apologize. It truly was not meant to be condescending. My wording was wrong.
My sentiment is the same, though. had the kid respected the authority that the cop had, this never would have gone that far. Had the kid at least been courteous while NOT respecting the authority, it would not have happened. You said, even if you don't respect people you are friendly and courteous towards them....at least until you get to know them and can make an informed decision.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 2:37 pm to Crowknowsbest
If a mature trained police officer cannot easily handcuff a drunk kid who has his back turned to him, then he should not be a police officer. How easy would it have been to grab a wrist and cuff it rather than try to pry the kid away from the door with a baton.
The kid was an idiot for not listening and obeying. But drunk kids often are that way. The kid should have been arrested, but not beaten unless he was threat to the police.
The kid was an idiot for not listening and obeying. But drunk kids often are that way. The kid should have been arrested, but not beaten unless he was threat to the police.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 2:40 pm to Dawgsontop34
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but that shouldn't excuse the cop's actions.
I don't think anybody is completely excusing the officers actions. But I also do think people calling him pig and other names is pretty unjustified. The guy lost his job and might face jail time. I would say it is being handled correctly. And the video is being released by the Police themselves, so they are showing that actions like this will not be tolerated.
Had other instances like this been handled in a similar manner by the police, we might not be having these kinds of problems. It sounds as if they are taking swift, immediate action.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 2:42 pm to MSGADawg5988
I think it probably could have been handled much better by the officer, but he did tell the student to stop and he now assuredly knows this. Something tells me this kid has had a run in with his parents CC security guards before... 
Posted on 8/25/15 at 2:43 pm to Broncothor
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If a mature trained police officer cannot easily handcuff a drunk kid who has his back turned to him, then he should not be a police officer.
Well...he isn't anymore. he was fired.
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The kid was an idiot for not listening and obeying. But drunk kids often are that way.
Which is why drunk kids get in fights and often stay in trouble, There is a reason alcohol age limits are in place. Don't get me wrong....there are plenty of adults who act stupid when drunk, too.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 2:44 pm to DawgsLife
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Absolutely. Turn it around, now. has a cop ever done anything right in your eyes?
Of course they have, and in my experience most do the right thing. I have two cousins who are police officers.
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Do you honestly believe that there are hordes of cops that do this?
Not hordes, but enough of a percent that it's a serious problem. I'd say police are like most professions, 95% are at least "not terrible" at their job and certainly not corrupt. Maybe 3% are truly just dogshit bad at their job, the other 2% are corrupt and evil.
Police are no different than other professions in this sense. They aren't "pigs" and they aren't "heros", they're dudes like us. This cop looks pretty shitty at his job IMO.
It's also important to note that being a policeman is a very difficult job and I understand that, but we don't draft them. They apply out for these jobs out of no coercion at all.
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 2:46 pm to DawgsLife
The lesson to be learned is that shite like this can happen to you if you open the door. It doesn't matter if the guy on the other side of the door is wrong from a standpoint of not getting shot or the shite kicked out of you. This does not condone what the cop does.
From a practical standpoint, I fully expect that I will get shot or beat up by a cop if I get mouthy and make physical contact with him. It has nothing to do with my principles... They don't make the bullets from a cops gun hurt less.
From a practical standpoint, I fully expect that I will get shot or beat up by a cop if I get mouthy and make physical contact with him. It has nothing to do with my principles... They don't make the bullets from a cops gun hurt less.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 2:51 pm to DawgsLife
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Which is why drunk kids get in fights and often stay in trouble, There is a reason alcohol age limits are in place. Don't get me wrong....there are plenty of adults who act stupid when drunk, too.
One could argue that if kid was 22 (or the drinking age was 18), then he would be more inclined to cooperate.
There's basically no way for an encounter between the police and a 19-year old male to end up as a positive for the kid. That's why they run and are often told to make it as difficult as possible for an officer to get information from them.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 2:55 pm to Dawg in Beaumont
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Absolutely. Turn it around, now. has a cop ever done anything right in your eyes?
Of course they have, and in my experience most do the right thing. I have two cousins who are police officers.
I figured. I was just trying to show you how silly your initial question to us was. (Has an officer ever done anything wrong in our eyes. (Paraphrased, of course)
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but enough of a percent that it's a serious problem.
I don't think it is a serious problem....at least...from one standpoint. I think the few incidents that are out there are magnified and brought to light more often, making it seem like more incidents than there are.
From another perspective...one incident like this is too many. One bad shooting is too many. THAT qualifies as a serious problem for me.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 3:01 pm to Crowknowsbest
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One could argue that if kid was 22 (or the drinking age was 18), then he would be more inclined to cooperate.
I think, as a whole, one would be incorrect in saying that as a blanket statement, like I did. It has more to do with experience and maturity than age. Hopefully experience and maturity comes with age, but not always.
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There's basically no way for an encounter between the police and a 19-year old male to end up as a positive for the kid.
I disagree. But, it has been a long time since I was 19!
I had encounters with police while in my teen years. Got stopped one night for drunk driving, although I do not drink now, nor did I then. I saw a police cruiser behind me and was reaching under my seat for my billfold in case he pulled me over and weaved a little.(was wearing bluejeans with no back pockets. Years ago this was a popular thing) He pulled me over, I answered his questions politely and told him why I weaved and he let me go. As I said...it was a long time ago, though, so maybe you are correct for today.Posted on 8/25/15 at 3:02 pm to DawgsLife
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But I also do think people calling him pig and other names is pretty unjustified. The guy lost his job and might face jail time. .
Boo fricking hoo. Cry me a river....
The article said this was his THIRD time being disciplined foe excessive force. And you can bet your arse there were other times when this pig lying piece of shite didn't get caught.
This criminal belongs in jail. Maybe it would send a message to the others of his ilk: Wearing a badge and a government-issued costume does not make you above the law.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 3:13 pm to DawgsLife
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I think, as a whole, one would be incorrect in saying that as a blanket statement, like I did. It has more to do with experience and maturity than age. Hopefully experience and maturity comes with age, but not always.
Having recently been 22, an average 22 year old isn't markedly more mature than a 19 year old. They are way less vulnerable to minor alcohol offenses though, and for that reason are less afraid of dealing with cops.
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I disagree. But, it has been a long time since I was 19! I had encounters with police while in my teen years. Got stopped one night for drunk driving, although I do not drink now, nor did I then. I saw a police cruiser behind me and was reaching under my seat for my billfold in case he pulled me over and weaved a little.(was wearing bluejeans with no back pockets. Years ago this was a popular thing) He pulled me over, I answered his questions politely and told him why I weaved and he let me go. As I said...it was a long time ago, though, so maybe you are correct for today.
When I was 20, I got pulled over on suspicion of DUI. Basically, I got pulled over for being a kid driving around a college town late at night. After I passed a breathalyzer and a field sobriety test, the officer called in another car and demanded to search my car or he wouldn't let me go. When I refused and called my parents, he said he would let me go if a friend came and picked me up because he didn't believe I was sober. When a friend did come pick me up, he had my car towed. I had to go get it in the morning.
18-20 year olds are easy targets. They have more laws that apply to them, break the law more than average, and also don't know their rights and can often be intimidated. Cops know that and target them, especially in college towns where a lot of the kids aren't locals. Eventually, some kids stop cooperating.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 3:14 pm to Peter Buck
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he lesson to be learned is that shite like this can happen to you if you open the door.
Agreed.
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From a practical standpoint, I fully expect that I will get shot or beat up by a cop if I get mouthy and make physical contact with him.
Whether the officer is right or wrong...it can still happen and it still hurts. It doesn't hurt less knowing that you were right.
Posted on 8/25/15 at 3:19 pm to Usey
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Obey the police and cooperate
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Posted on 8/25/15 at 3:22 pm to DawgsLife
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had the kid respected the authority that the cop had, this never would have gone that far. Had the kid at least been courteous while NOT respecting the authority, it would not have happened. You said, even if you don't respect people you are friendly and courteous towards them....at least until you get to know them and can make an informed decision.
I agree, the kid should have just walked away when the cop gave him the chance. He was being drunk and belligerent, and deserved to be arrested for being drunk in public and under age. The issue I have here is in the broader sense, that it seems like every time one of these incidents takes place, people defend the actions of the cops or say just to obey even when it violates someone's rights. In this scenario, the kid had the right not to be bludgeoned in the skull with a baton.
This post was edited on 8/25/15 at 3:24 pm
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