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re: Check out this video of UGA student getting arrested
Posted on 8/26/15 at 7:46 am to Jefferson Dawg
Posted on 8/26/15 at 7:46 am to Jefferson Dawg
But, Jefferson, what about the unethical way we draft these police officers? It's not right that we force young men to serve as government agents.
It's only fair that they should be able to absolutely pummel mouthy jerks. They represent the government so if you are disrespectful they are completely justified in beating the ever loving shite out of you.
Obey the government or get a beatdown.
It's only fair that they should be able to absolutely pummel mouthy jerks. They represent the government so if you are disrespectful they are completely justified in beating the ever loving shite out of you.
Obey the government or get a beatdown.
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Posted on 8/26/15 at 8:50 am to Dawg in Beaumont
I'm sure standing on your moral highground will ease the pain of getting fricked up by a cop after you assert your rights. 
Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:59 am to Peter Buck
I've never disrespected or had a run-in with a police officer. That is based on my upbringing, not some holy reverence I think we are supposed to hold police in.
I DO support people's right to be a jerk and not get the shite beat out of them, even though I don't engage in the jerk behavior myself.
Why is this such a hard concept for you to understand?
I DO support people's right to be a jerk and not get the shite beat out of them, even though I don't engage in the jerk behavior myself.
Why is this such a hard concept for you to understand?
This post was edited on 8/26/15 at 10:00 am
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:19 am to dcbl
No problem! I didn't see it for a bit. had to search for it. Honestly, I was surprised that it went that far, but when Jefferson said he had been accused of this on 2-3 other occasions....assuming that Jefferson is correct,(And I have no reason to doubt what he is saying) then he should have been fired.
But, again....nobody is defending the officer's actions. Particularly when he hit the kid after he sat down. All that is being said, is if the kid had stopped when told to, and done what was asked none of this would have happened.
But, again....nobody is defending the officer's actions. Particularly when he hit the kid after he sat down. All that is being said, is if the kid had stopped when told to, and done what was asked none of this would have happened.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:29 am to germandawg
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That still doesn't excuse a cop beating a drunk in the head with a night club....that shite could have caused some serious damage and the kid is guilty of nothing more than being drunk..
He wasn't excusing the cops actions. He was saying if the kid had done as asked (And everything the cop asked was correct and reasonable) nothing wuould have happened.
And the kid was guilty of much more than being drunk. He was disorderly, resisting arrest, tresspassing, underage drinking.
He could have been arrested for any or all of those things....yet the officer was allowing him to leave scot free....if he had just kept his mouth shut and gone home. But, the kid just couldn't do it.
Does that give the cop the right to hit the kid? I don't know...probably not. Especially after the kid sat down and was not resisting anymore.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:31 am to DawgsLife
That is all true. I think a lot of our divides come from the fact that there are two separate questions going on:
Question one-Is it smart to be disrespectful to an officer? That answer is almost always NO
Question two-Should a publicly paid state supported government agent conduct themselves in such a violent manner when someone behaves like this student did?
That answer is unquestionably NO
Some are struggling with seeing the two questions. When I say we should have the right to be mouthy to a cop and not get beaten down I am in no way saying it is wise to do so.
Again, there are two separate questions to address.
Question one-Is it smart to be disrespectful to an officer? That answer is almost always NO
Question two-Should a publicly paid state supported government agent conduct themselves in such a violent manner when someone behaves like this student did?
That answer is unquestionably NO
Some are struggling with seeing the two questions. When I say we should have the right to be mouthy to a cop and not get beaten down I am in no way saying it is wise to do so.
Again, there are two separate questions to address.
This post was edited on 8/26/15 at 10:33 am
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:32 am to Dawg in Beaumont
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I've never disrespected or had a run-in with a police officer. That is based on my upbringing, not some holy reverence I think we are supposed to hold police in. I DO support people's right to be a jerk and not get the shite beat out of them, even though I don't engage in the jerk behavior myself. Why is this such a hard concept for you to understand?
Sorry, that was not specifically to you.
We agree with the same premise.
Still, I don't understand the upside of getting mouthy with a cop. From a purely strategic standpoint.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:33 am to Peter Buck
Yea, I agree that it is a bad strategy. Even if you should have the right to do so, it is a foolish strategy.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:33 am to SquatchDawg
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Being a smartass kid or even mouthing a cop doesn't mean you automatically deserve "what you get" when they bash in your head.
Nobody said he deserved. We are saying if you act like the kid that the chances go way up that what happened might happen.
You guys are like the women who dress very provocatively and then scream men shouldn't stare at them. While true....if a woman dresses sexily men, more than likely are going to stare. If they don't want men to start then dress normally.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:35 am to DawgsLife
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You guys are like the women who dress very provocatively and then scream men shouldn't stare at them. While true....if a woman dresses sexily men, more than likely are going to stare. If they don't want men to start then dress normally.
That's a decent analogy, but the police situation gets a bit more complex when you consider that they are representing the state. We can opt out of going near certain people that may stare, we can't opt out of being under state authority.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:36 am to Dawg in Beaumont
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I've never disrespected or had a run-in with a police officer. That is based on my upbringing, not some holy reverence I think we are supposed to hold police in.
I DO support people's right to be a jerk and not get the shite beat out of them, even though I don't engage in the jerk behavior myself.
Ok. But if people act like a mouthy jerk they are liable to get pummeled by regular people too. The difference is, people scream bloody murder and post it on youtube when a cop does it.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:38 am to DawgsLife
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1. Mind showing me where we defended the cops actions?
I said in my post that my problem was in the broader sense, not just this particular instance.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:39 am to Dawg in Beaumont
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Question one-Is it smart to be disrespectful to an officer? That answer is almost always NO
Agreed.
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Question two-Should a publicly paid state supported government agent conduct themselves in such a violent manner when someone behaves like this student did?
That answer is unquestionably NO
Again, agreed.
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Some are struggling with seeing the two questions. When I say we should have the right to be mouthy to a cop and not get beaten down I am in no way saying it is wise to do so.
Again, we are on the same page.
And you put it much better than I could have. Two separate questions. Excellent way to say it and good example!
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:39 am to Jefferson Dawg
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My "rights" don't come from him.
This is clearly defined in out nation's founding documents.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 10:41 am to Dawg in Beaumont
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We can opt out of going near certain people that may stare,
Depends on what she looks at. I've seen a few that would get stared at no matter where they are!
But I understand what you are saying.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 2:24 pm to Dawg in Beaumont
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Even if you should have the right to do so, it is a foolish strategy.
Like The Clash said:
You have the right to free speech, as long as you're not dumb enough to actually try it.
You have the right not to be killed. Murder is a crime, unless it is done by a policeman.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 3:11 pm to DawgsLife
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You guys are like the women who dress very provocatively and then scream men shouldn't stare at them.
I would equate this more to getting raped than getting stared at.....but I get what you're saying.
Posted on 8/26/15 at 9:02 pm to MSGADawg5988
'Yes sir, no sir' has worked real well between me and the poe-leece for 49 years, so I'm going to continue to stick with it.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 5:50 pm to DawgsLife
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You have no idea what you are talking about if you think that was what Nazis did.
You might actually want to read up on what "the Nazis" did. Deception was a big part of how they got away with everything they did. The end result was brutal, but they weren't all screaming beasts like you see in the movies. They often kept the guise of respectability until right before the end.
Posted on 8/27/15 at 6:06 pm to FaCubeItches
Looks like a fat piece of shite pig beating on a college student. He should be fired and sent to jail for assault. If another fat loser did that he would be in jail and because this one has a badge it's ok. Nope, jail time, piggy.
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