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re: Can UGA secondary improve enough to not be a liability?
Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:45 pm to mikeboss550
Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:45 pm to mikeboss550
Rumor was that kimber waa our best cover corner in the summer/fall. But he is a smaller frame and doesnt appeat to be able to hold up to the physicality as of yet (shoulder injury which may take him out the entire season).
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Posted on 9/21/21 at 11:32 pm to meansonny
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Rumor was that kimber waa our best cover corner in the summer/fall. But he is a smaller frame and doesnt appeat to be able to hold up to the physicality as of yet (shoulder injury which may take him out the entire season).
He reminds me of Jamyest Williams...great cover guy just too small
Posted on 9/22/21 at 6:59 am to SquatchDawg
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Are they really liability? Per the Senators blog we”re #2 in the SEC for pass defense.
CFB Stats
This completion % so the rush obviously plays in…but even total yds are lower than most.
I'm not arguing against your point....but was unsure exactly where to put this.
Other teams passing statistics will probably go up this year overall. Once teams begin to fall behind (especially if they fall behind by 2-3 or more scores)
they will begin to throw the ball more. They will throw the ball more until the end of the game, so a decent part of that time they will be throwing the ball against 2nd and 3rd stringers.
We do not need to get hung up too much on statistics. (I realize you were using statistics to show our secondary was doing good. Like I said, I was not sure exactly where to put this. I am actually agreeing with your point)
In a year in which we score more points and keep other teams from scoring points passing stats should go up, not down. My guess is that the only reason our stats are showing our secondary is doing so well is because the pass rush has been so dominant and a lot of inaccurate throws are happening and balls are being thrown away to avoid sacks.
TLDR
Our secondary is not a liability. It is a strength. WRs are being covered well this year, and we should not mistake any games from last year with games from this year.
On a side note....last year Florida absolutely killed us with wheel routes. That is a route that takes a bit of time to develop. I wouldn't expect them to have that amount of time to throw the ball this year. That is one advantage of our pass rush. having 99 out last year made a HUGE difference.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:05 am to dhuck20
A car is not a human. It's an issue. We saw it in spades last season. Hopefully, Kirby and crew will get it cleaned up.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:08 am to mikeboss550
Good assessment. The safeties "biting" on the PA is a real concern. We saw it in spades last season, and the DB's got beat many times over the top. Hopefully, Kirby and crew will get them right.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:09 am to mikeboss550
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He reminds me of Jamyest Williams...great cover guy just too small
Little bit different. Jamyest was listed at 5'9" and that might have been generous. Kimber is 6', he's just lean as hell which makes it hard to hold up over the long haul.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 9:48 am to DawgsLife
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In a year in which we score more points and keep other teams from scoring points passing stats should go up, not down
Good point. I could see an argument that completions go down as you're forced to pass much more often than if you were able to run your normal offense.
I guess the reality is it's too early to tell. Ukelele didn't have time to pass and UAB isn't a good yardstick. Doty threw some damn good balls and that big receiver was legit. Not pumping USCe sunshine though because every top tier team has higher tier talent.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:16 am to SquatchDawg
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Good point. I could see an argument that completions go down as you're forced to pass much more often than if you were able to run your normal offense.
Absolutely true, too and a good point.
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I guess the reality is it's too early to tell. Ukelele didn't have time to pass and UAB isn't a good yardstick. Doty threw some damn good balls and that big receiver was legit. Not pumping USCe sunshine though because every top tier team has higher tier talent.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 12:46 am to meansonny
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Corners are a work in progress. We have talent but lack experience.
This was the legitimate concern heading into the season. According to some, if our pass rush is unstoppable, our need for fantastic corners diminishes. Maybe at a certain level of dominance, that's true. But we've not yet faced an OL at the level of say, Florida.
So I'm not sure there's nothing to see with those deep completions we gave up against SC. You can't tell me that the departure of Stokes, a 1st round corner, plus Campbell, first pick of the second round (along with DJ Daniel, Webb, and Stevenson) didn't hurt.
Getting Kendrick was huge to make up for some of the losses (as with T. Smith for the safeties). A lot hinges on Ringo and Lassiter getting better with every week of experience. Maybe Nyland Green gets in the mix but strangely we haven't seen much of him. I like Speed's size but not sure I see him as a corner at the next level.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 1:26 am to Lucius Clay
Smith is the best overall DB on this roster. Think a variant of Boykin minus the freaky return skills though much more physical.
With that dynamic and the internal growth of Ringo/rest of the young corners this is a high end secondary.
No Smith and Kendrick then it's another potential run wasted.
With that dynamic and the internal growth of Ringo/rest of the young corners this is a high end secondary.
No Smith and Kendrick then it's another potential run wasted.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 1:56 am to Kimsey
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Secondary is doing well according to PFF. Ahead of schedule maybe?
This post was edited on 9/23/21 at 1:57 am
Posted on 9/23/21 at 2:15 am to fibonaccisquared
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he's just lean as hell which makes it hard to hold up over the long haul.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 9:01 am to Lucius Clay
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This was the legitimate concern heading into the season. According to some, if our pass rush is unstoppable, our need for fantastic corners diminishes. Maybe at a certain level of dominance, that's true. But we've not yet faced an OL at the level of say, Florida.
Did you actually play football and if so, how complex was your defense?
Posted on 9/23/21 at 9:22 am to Peter Buck
I think letting UFs qb throw may be a good thing ha ha. Their run game is their strength.
As mentioned earlier, bump coverages and keeping UFs qb in the pocket while stopping the run on the way to the qb, is the recipe.
Seahawks made Peyton, who had been super human all season, look like a moron in the SuperBowl by jamming and disrupting his recievers.
As mentioned earlier, bump coverages and keeping UFs qb in the pocket while stopping the run on the way to the qb, is the recipe.
Seahawks made Peyton, who had been super human all season, look like a moron in the SuperBowl by jamming and disrupting his recievers.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 10:36 am to lewis and herschel
Against running teams, you wont play as much man..zone allows the corners to keep their eyes in the backfield and their zone responsibility. Cover 2 type defenses are gonna bump, funnel, and misdirect, but then fall into zone responsibility. The offense will in turn, create formations and routes to take advantage of either scenario. Against USC, we must have been running blitz packages that put us in man on the outside. They must have recognized it and they made accurate throws. As I said earlier, give a lot of credit to the offense. Our guys just gotta do a better job disrupting the route off the line and getting their heads around.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 11:00 am to Peter Buck
.akes since and i agree, SCU made some stellar plays, just tip your cap. I also dont think we did anybexotic stubts or blitzs in the first quarter and our onkept shooting itself in the foot or the game would have been in the 50s.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 11:29 am to Peter Buck
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Against running teams, you wont play as much man..zone allows the corners to keep their eyes in the backfield and their zone responsibility. Cover 2 type defenses are gonna bump, funnel, and misdirect, but then fall into zone responsibility. The offense will in turn, create formations and routes to take advantage of either scenario. Against USC, we must have been running blitz packages that put us in man on the outside. They must have recognized it and they made accurate throws. As I said earlier, give a lot of credit to the offense. Our guys just gotta do a better job disrupting the route off the line and getting their heads around.
Bingo. Have to slow that receiver down at the line and then don't let them get completely behind you. At least one of the throws was essentially indefensible. Some of the others were just "good" throws after the receiver had gotten enough separation.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 12:10 pm to fibonaccisquared
Don’t know if it’s been posted already but Jalen Kimber’s just been ruled out for the rest of the season.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 1:44 pm to dawgdayafternoon
Yeah. He tried playing through it a bit and obviously either wasn't getting enough snaps to be worth it or it was too challenging. Sucks, because by all accounts he would have been one of our 2 best this season up until the injury. Hate it for him, hoping for speedy recovery.
Posted on 9/23/21 at 2:12 pm to Peter Buck
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getting their heads around.
I knwo you already know this, but getting your head around is one of the hardest things to teach and to do when playing the secondary. Every fiber in your being screams to keep your eyes on the receiver so he can't slip away from you.
When I played (about 233 years ago) we were always taught to watch the receivers eyes and hands. When the receiver looks back the pass is coming soon, and when he raises his hands the pass is there. That is when you want to flip your body around and either intercept or knock the ball down.
DB is just tough. Really, really tough. You don't know where the WR is going or when the ball is being thrown and then there is the matter of maintaining your balance and speed.
Like I said, I know you understood that, but since you mentioned turning the heads, I thought I would piggy back.
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