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re: 2021 Diamond Dawgs / 31-25 (14-19) / Season over, First 4 Out
Posted on 5/30/21 at 2:53 pm to MenloDawg
Posted on 5/30/21 at 2:53 pm to MenloDawg
We will see where we land tomorrow. Nobody to blame but ourselves if it goes South. Funny, though, how the narrative has shifted from “UGA vs LSU is a play in game” to “UGA and Bama will no longer make it and the SEC will only get 8 teams in despite playing a full non conference schedule”
Posted on 5/30/21 at 4:27 pm to tylerdurden24
Two of these teams are being selected according to BA and D1.
Who is actually worthy and not just artificially highly ranked because of a fluky year generating bad data.
CAMPBELL
2-1 vs Liberty(37 RPI)
0-1 vs NC State(35 RPI)
0-1 vs Duke(19 RPI)
0-1 vs North Carolina(47 RPI)
6-1 vs USC Upstate(49 RPI)
8-5 vs Q1/Q2(7 vs USCU)
27-11 vs Q3/Q4
FAIRFIELD
5-0 vs Monmouth(69 RPI)
4-1 vs Rider(57 RPI)
6-0 vs Canisius(78 RPI)
4-0 vs Niagra(132 RPI)
3-1 vs Siena(253 RPI)
14-2 vs Q1/Q2(0 games vs Q1)
23-1 vs Q3/Q4
GEORGIA
1-3 vs Arkansas(1 RPI)
1-2 vs Tennessee(4 RPI)
2-1 vs Vanderbilt(2 RPI)
1-2 vs Florida(17 RPI)
1-3 vs Ole Miss(13 RPI)
14-19 vs Q1/Q2
17-6 vs Q3/Q4
Who is actually worthy and not just artificially highly ranked because of a fluky year generating bad data.
CAMPBELL
2-1 vs Liberty(37 RPI)
0-1 vs NC State(35 RPI)
0-1 vs Duke(19 RPI)
0-1 vs North Carolina(47 RPI)
6-1 vs USC Upstate(49 RPI)
8-5 vs Q1/Q2(7 vs USCU)
27-11 vs Q3/Q4
FAIRFIELD
5-0 vs Monmouth(69 RPI)
4-1 vs Rider(57 RPI)
6-0 vs Canisius(78 RPI)
4-0 vs Niagra(132 RPI)
3-1 vs Siena(253 RPI)
14-2 vs Q1/Q2(0 games vs Q1)
23-1 vs Q3/Q4
GEORGIA
1-3 vs Arkansas(1 RPI)
1-2 vs Tennessee(4 RPI)
2-1 vs Vanderbilt(2 RPI)
1-2 vs Florida(17 RPI)
1-3 vs Ole Miss(13 RPI)
14-19 vs Q1/Q2
17-6 vs Q3/Q4
Posted on 5/30/21 at 7:03 pm to devils1854
According to RPI right now, a win against USC Upstate is equal to a win against Arkansas.
Posted on 5/31/21 at 11:59 am to devils1854
Well fellas, the season is over. First 4 out and we had about 25 chances to reverse that fate but couldn’t do it.
On to bigger and better next year, good riddance.
On to bigger and better next year, good riddance.
Posted on 5/31/21 at 1:11 pm to tylerdurden24
So,based on tbe extremely vocal nature of or fanbase in regards to crean, I'm assuming that every soul on this board thinks we need to fire stricklin this week, right? Bc if you scream to fire crean but want to give stricklin year 9 you're either dumb as all frick or..well, actually no there is no "or". You're dumb as frick.
Posted on 5/31/21 at 1:52 pm to WG_Dawg
If we don’t host a regional next year, I want Stricklin fired
Posted on 5/31/21 at 1:54 pm to IT_Dawg
Fire his arse now. This is his team, no one to blame for the failures except him.
Posted on 5/31/21 at 2:05 pm to IT_Dawg
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If we don’t host a regional next year, I want Stricklin fired
With what we have returning, I think this is a reasonable expectation. Josh needs to start building Foley into a place that will elevate what’s there or attract his successor
Posted on 5/31/21 at 2:22 pm to tylerdurden24
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attract his successor
1991–1994 Florida State
1999–2001 Flagler (Asst.)
2003 Florida State (Asst.)
2004–2005 Mercer (Asst.)
2006–2009 East Carolina (Asst.)
2010–2012 Auburn (Asst.)
2013–2019 UNC Greensboro
2020–present Notre Dame
Championships
2017 Southern Conference Tournament
2018 Southern Conference Regular Season
Awards
2021 ACC Conference Coach of the Year
2016, 2018 Southern Conference Coach of the Year 2010 SEC Ast Coach of the Year
2009 C-USA Ast Coach of the year
This post was edited on 5/31/21 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 5/31/21 at 2:33 pm to IT_Dawg
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If we don’t host a regional next year, I want Stricklin fired
No problem, what are your goals for crean next season?
Posted on 5/31/21 at 2:36 pm to tylerdurden24
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With what we have returning, I think this is a reasonable expectation.
Hosting a regional in year 9..that's a reasonable expecation for hte program now. Yet somehow not making the posteason after 3 years is the expectation for the basketball coach. I'm in crazytown.
Our fans have sersiously lost any touch with reality. It's pretty simple and there is literally no other way around it....if you think stricklin shoudl be here for year NINE next season, you shoudl also think crean should be here for year four. If you're a skyscreamer saying crean should be fired already after year 3, then you damn well better be under the belief that stricklin should have already been fired this morning. There is no in between.
Posted on 5/31/21 at 2:43 pm to WG_Dawg
4 downvotes. I'd LOVE to hear why my post rankled you so hard. Unless of course you only deal with feelings and emotions like a female and completely throw logic to the wind. Although, the fact that you clicked a little red button to express your displeasure instead of responding actually lets me know the answer to that anyway. So actually, nevermind.
Posted on 5/31/21 at 2:59 pm to WG_Dawg
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4 downvotes. I'd LOVE to hear why my post rankled you so hard
I’d imagine it’s because you’re asking everyone in a baseball thread concerning a coach in a very different situation to help you carry the water for an unpopular argument you’ve been trying to make about our basketball coach.
Could be wrong though.
Posted on 5/31/21 at 3:03 pm to WG_Dawg
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Hosting a regional in year 9..that's a reasonable expecation for hte program now.
When we hosted regionals in years 5 & 6 and would have hosted in year 7?
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Yet somehow not making the posteason after 3 years is the expectation for the basketball coach. I'm in crazytown.
If you think the reason people aren’t happy with Crean is simply because he hasn’t made a tournament in 3 years then, yeah, you’ve taken up permanent residence.
Posted on 5/31/21 at 3:04 pm to devils1854
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2004–2005 Mercer (Asst.)
Any personal insight? Or was this before/after your time?
Posted on 5/31/21 at 3:06 pm to tylerdurden24
The whole point that I've made for months hasn't changed even a millimeter; it's about consistency. Fans of UGA athletic programs have been screaming from the rooftops that crean is trash and needs to be fired after 3 years, for seemingly nothing more than being a meany poo-poo head and running players off. While in the next sentence those same people will make excuse after excuse for stricklin and the baseball team to go into year 9 with only make 2 regionals so far and losign both in utterly embarassing fashion. That's not even mentioning the fact he had a losing record each of his first 4 seasons.
Consistency, that is LITERALLY ALL I ASK. If you think Crean is an imbicile and a complete joke for UGA basketball that's cool! But you should also think Stricklin should be fired by...this morning. If you think Stricklin is getting it together and is making strides and are hopeful for year 9 of his tenure, then you damn well better be giving crean the same benefit and looking forward to year 4.
I've always been a bornig kind of person that favors logic and rational thinking over emotion. So this kind of chasm in our fanbase is just indescribably infuriating since people are just thinking with their feelings rather than acutally using their brains and applying logic to the situation. I'm not pro or anti Crean and I'm not pro or anti Stricklin. I'm just saying...if you want one gone you better as frick want the other one gone otherwise you look like a complete fricking retard dumbass. And that's the nicest way to put it.
Consistency, that is LITERALLY ALL I ASK. If you think Crean is an imbicile and a complete joke for UGA basketball that's cool! But you should also think Stricklin should be fired by...this morning. If you think Stricklin is getting it together and is making strides and are hopeful for year 9 of his tenure, then you damn well better be giving crean the same benefit and looking forward to year 4.
I've always been a bornig kind of person that favors logic and rational thinking over emotion. So this kind of chasm in our fanbase is just indescribably infuriating since people are just thinking with their feelings rather than acutally using their brains and applying logic to the situation. I'm not pro or anti Crean and I'm not pro or anti Stricklin. I'm just saying...if you want one gone you better as frick want the other one gone otherwise you look like a complete fricking retard dumbass. And that's the nicest way to put it.
Posted on 5/31/21 at 3:09 pm to tylerdurden24
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When we hosted regionals in years 5 & 6 and would have hosted in year 7?
So why aren't we letting crean see if he can make teh NIT in year 5? since that'd be the equivalent and all?
If we applied the same standards to stricklin we did to crean (as fans) stricklin would've been gone like half a decade ago.
Posted on 5/31/21 at 3:25 pm to WG_Dawg
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So why aren't we letting crean see if he can make teh NIT in year 5?
Crean also inherited a program on the cusp of tournament relevance, in a sport that doesn’t take nearly as long to build a roster for, and he brought in the most highly acclaimed player in a generation and did approximately nothing with him. Nevermind that he’s not just a dick (literally every basketball coach on earth is a fricking dick) but he’s such a dick that Damn near his entire roster walked out on him.
Stricklin inherited a once proud program that had gone 31-26 and then 21-32 in the two years prior to his arrival and that had been passed by the rest of the conference both in terms of success (LSU and Carolina both won titles since our last appearance in 2008), facilities (Carolina and LSU built new stadiums, Ole Miss expanded) and recruiting the state.
4 years to rebuild the roster and repair recruiting while seeing marginal improvement to Foley by the AD and continued success of peer programs (Vandy and Florida won titles, Arkansas made the finals, Kentucky, Bama, MSU, and Florida built new stadiums while Arkansas and Tennessee expanded theirs) isn’t that odd. A solid 3 year run from 18-20 elevated the program back to national relevance, 2021 was always going to be the dip year in terms of MLB departures, and now 2022 should show improvement in the program. If it stagnates, AD needs to commit to improving the program whether through an improved facility, new coach, or both.
This post was edited on 5/31/21 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 5/31/21 at 4:18 pm to tylerdurden24
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Crean also inherited a program on the cusp of tournament relevanc
crean inherited a team that finished 11th in the SEC. Crean inherited a team where the top 10 folks in minutes per game included turtle jackson, jordan harris, juwan parker, tyree crump, teshaun hightower, and etorian wilridge. Teh only reason fox's teams did as average as tehy did is because the SEC overall wasn't nearly waht is is now. Is LSu better with whoever they had then or the cheater now? Is bama beter with the nba retreads or oats? Is AU better with watshisname or pearl?
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he brought in the most highly acclaimed player in a generation and did approximately nothing with him.
Deandre Ayton (bought and paid for to a basketball school): lost in 1st round of the tourney to a 13 seed.
Markelle Fultz: finished 9-22 and 2-16 in conference
Ben Simmons: 19-14 and no postseason
By your logic all these guys that went to better basketball schools than us must really, REALLY suck considering those high draft picks and nothing to show, right?
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Nevermind that he’s not just a dick (literally every basketball coach on earth is a fricking dick) but he’s such a dick that Damn near his entire roster walked out on him.
And apparently half the coaches in America are dicks considering there were at one point 1300+ players in the portal. The whole "walking out" arugment is so fricking lazy many and you're better than that. The portal allows anyone to walk out at any time for any reason, and literally NO BASKETBALL COACH IN UGA HISTORY has had to deal with the portal situation that crean has. Do you think if Mr. "no facial hair below your lip" Felton had the portal to deal with we wouldn't see the same thing?
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tricklin inherited a once proud program that had gone 31-26 and then 21-32 in the two years prior to his arrival and that had been passed by the rest of the conference both in terms of success (LSU and Carolina both won titles since our last appearance in 2008), facilities (Carolina and LSU built new stadiums, Ole Miss expanded) and recruiting the state.
So, facilities and other teams begin really good are just an "aw shucks that sucks" factoid for strickling but not for crean, am I understanding that correctly? And you're making my point for me in a way. Baseball has been a FAR more successful program overall and in general for UGA historically that basketball has, both historically and in semi-recent history. So why in the everloving frick are we giving baseball an inifite free pass and holding basketball to the grindstone? Shoudlnt' it be the opposite? If baseball is more successfull adn we exepect more from it, why shouldn't we be holing it ot a higher standard?
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4 years to rebuild the roster and repair recruiting while seeing marginal improvement to Foley by the AD and continued success of peer programs (Vandy and Florida won titles, Arkansas made the finals, Kentucky, Bama, MSU, and Florida built new stadiums while Arkansas and Tennessee expanded theirs) isn’t that odd
In one sentence you go from citing 9 programs advacning themselves (skipping over perennial SEC forerunner LSU plus SC with multiple titles this decade, bringing the total now to 11 programs out of 13 [since we aren't inncluding ourselves]) and we're supposed to be ok wtih htat? We're apparently on teh same level as 2 other SEC programs of 14 that we're staying stagnant with and that's cool?
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A solid 3 year run from 18-20 elevated the program back to national relevance, 2021 was always going to be the dip year in terms of MLB departures, and now 2022 should show improvement in the program.
Year 10! Mother...fricking...TEN. Why in the everloving hell is strickling getting a 10 year play where we should, to quote you, "show improvement"...and crean isn't even allowed a year FOUR?
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If it stagnates,
If!?!? IF!? He stagnated the first 4 years of his tenure!!! He didn't even register a year above .500 until year FIVE!!!! This shite here is why I fell like I'm taking crazy pills!! You're talking about a coach in a traditiaonlly pretty doggone good sport with a history of posteaseon sucdess being absolute DOGSHIT his first 4 years, then being average a few years after that and then registering the lowest amount of posteason success you can make, adn then crossing your fingers begging for more "improvement" by year 10...all the while saying a coach in a historically dogshit program making progress each year he's been here in 3 years and ramped up donations and fan support and interst and talent upgrading the roster and seemingly doing everyting right except for sending lovey dovey vibes to the sidewalk fans that dont' attend games anyway you want to run him out of town. It literally does.not.make.logical.sense.
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