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Posted on 5/17/21 at 3:55 pm to Brick67
Think that was speculated for a while. Oh well, good riddance
Posted on 5/17/21 at 8:10 pm to WG_Dawg
The big reoccurring thing that the defenders of crean point to is development. They point out Wade and oladipo ib every article they can. It’s what our ad points out. So much you feel you keep reading the same articles.
With that said, in this new world that crean is using to defend the exodus of every player. It’s clear that winning is preferred over development. Everyone who could develop or has developed is gone first chance. So maybe we don’t need a coach with a history of development since it seems that isn’t a theme in modern cfb.
Development clearly doesn’t carry much weight any more with the youth.
With that said, in this new world that crean is using to defend the exodus of every player. It’s clear that winning is preferred over development. Everyone who could develop or has developed is gone first chance. So maybe we don’t need a coach with a history of development since it seems that isn’t a theme in modern cfb.
Development clearly doesn’t carry much weight any more with the youth.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 3:24 pm to Dawg4Life
TC started his tenure throwing his players under the bus then said it was his fault that he decided to keep those players. What if your boss told everyone you werent good at your job but its his fault that he didnt fire you when he become boss. Im surprised the players didnt leave before now . Im guessing the open portal was a godsend for the players.Now TC cant blame the players he didnt recruit because everyone will have been brought in by him.
Posted on 5/19/21 at 6:09 pm to varnelldude
kd Johnson to auburn.
Officially in the frick crean bucket. Our AD better let those stones drop soon. Our basketball program is back to pre Felton era now with literally 0 reason to be optimistic now. Literally zero positives. He even gave all his best players to every rival we have and then some. The whole conference got hooked up
I’ll pull for whoever suits up (which I can honestly say I don’t know who that entails, come on down Zach etter please don’t leave as a walk-on). But boy do I hope they let capacity let him hear the love. He destroyed our program, plain and simple.
Forgive the rant but give me an interim coach at this point. There is no obvious future with crean so at least let someone run it who may stay on staff as an assistant.
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Officially in the frick crean bucket. Our AD better let those stones drop soon. Our basketball program is back to pre Felton era now with literally 0 reason to be optimistic now. Literally zero positives. He even gave all his best players to every rival we have and then some. The whole conference got hooked up
I’ll pull for whoever suits up (which I can honestly say I don’t know who that entails, come on down Zach etter please don’t leave as a walk-on). But boy do I hope they let capacity let him hear the love. He destroyed our program, plain and simple.
Forgive the rant but give me an interim coach at this point. There is no obvious future with crean so at least let someone run it who may stay on staff as an assistant.
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This post was edited on 5/19/21 at 6:26 pm
Posted on 5/19/21 at 7:52 pm to Dawg4Life
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Officially in the frick crean bucket
2 days ago you weren't, but kd was the final straw?
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Our basketball program is back to pre Felton era
Haaaaa
Go look at some of those early Felton rosters. Y'all don't have a clue how good we'll be this year considering it's all newcomers. We could be bad, or could be improved. Who knows.
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Literally zero positives
Well that simply isn't true but alright
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He even gave all his best players to every rival we have and then some. The whole conference got hooked up
Gave them? Welcome to the portal pal, where anyone can leave and go wherever they want at any time for any reason. The same portal that at one point had 1,300 players in it.
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. He destroyed our program, plain and simple.
Oh for fricks sake could you give us some more hyperbole here? The guy that has improved our record every year has destroyed our program just bc the roster has been turned over? How bout we, oh idk, maybe see how good the new roster is before we declare the program ruined?
Posted on 5/19/21 at 9:43 pm to WG_Dawg
WG dawg. Bless you sir
The fact I half to bullet something is frustrating.
- I was frick him prior. Just never verbatim said it. Somewhere between transfer 7-9 I was out.
-I watched the Felton era. Give me Levi Stukes, Mike Mercer, dave bliss, sundiata Gaines, takais brown, etc all day. Tell me how good are we going to be this year since other teams added to their team and we created a new one lol.
-“well that simply isn’t true” I’m going to need you to at least contradict with one positive before saying I’m wrong.
-yes we know anyone can transfer at any time. Just not any other school had every scholarship player leave. That’s a Georgia special right now. You think juniors and seniors with no nba future are finding more potential at mid tier at best schools (obviously not counting like kd or savhir)
-yes our record improved. At a snails pace. Every single school has been to the tournament in the sec since we last went. every alumni of consequence has spoken out mostly negative of crean to this point.
I was fine playing devils advocate too brother - but that above isn’t defendable for a multi million dollar a year making coach at a school of our caliber. Do you remember when Indiana fans warned us. It was a rant which is why it had the apology but your counter argument did nothing to make anyone in the slightest feel better about TC
The fact I half to bullet something is frustrating.
- I was frick him prior. Just never verbatim said it. Somewhere between transfer 7-9 I was out.
-I watched the Felton era. Give me Levi Stukes, Mike Mercer, dave bliss, sundiata Gaines, takais brown, etc all day. Tell me how good are we going to be this year since other teams added to their team and we created a new one lol.
-“well that simply isn’t true” I’m going to need you to at least contradict with one positive before saying I’m wrong.
-yes we know anyone can transfer at any time. Just not any other school had every scholarship player leave. That’s a Georgia special right now. You think juniors and seniors with no nba future are finding more potential at mid tier at best schools (obviously not counting like kd or savhir)
-yes our record improved. At a snails pace. Every single school has been to the tournament in the sec since we last went. every alumni of consequence has spoken out mostly negative of crean to this point.
I was fine playing devils advocate too brother - but that above isn’t defendable for a multi million dollar a year making coach at a school of our caliber. Do you remember when Indiana fans warned us. It was a rant which is why it had the apology but your counter argument did nothing to make anyone in the slightest feel better about TC
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Posted on 5/19/21 at 10:59 pm to WG_Dawg
I find that we are frequently on the same page here on these boards so color me slightly puzzled by your apologetic nature for Crean. What positive indicators on the program do you see/feel that Crean has brought or is showing? I'm all for giving some time for things to shake out, but the general feeling was "let's give him some time to bring in some guys and build something"... instead we get some haphazard recruiting at best with one big talent that we couldn't capitalize on due to sizable holes on the rest of the roster and what appeared to be pretty shitty coaching if we're being frank. Now, instead of saying, well we didn't capitalize on our Antman season, but at least we're starting to build our roster depth, we are literally starting over from scratch with what amounts to leftover players from other teams rosters. I'll watch, because I'm a glutton for punishment, but I can't find much to get excited about with the team for this upcoming season. And sure, the portal is a new hurdle to deal with, but is there *any* other coach that lost even 50% of their returning scholarship players to the portal? Let alone what we're seeing?
We're in a shitty spot because frankly who are you going to hire, and even if you do, they are literally starting from scratch, but losing an entire roster to transfer sure as shite seems like justifiable "cause" for termination.
We're in a shitty spot because frankly who are you going to hire, and even if you do, they are literally starting from scratch, but losing an entire roster to transfer sure as shite seems like justifiable "cause" for termination.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 7:22 am to Dawg4Life
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-I watched the Felton era. Give me Levi Stukes, Mike Mercer, dave bliss, sundiata Gaines, takais brown, etc all day
you named some of the good players that played over the course of his tenure. I could name you some of the good players that have played in crean's tenure. would you also take younes idrissi, steve newman, rashad singleton, zac swansey, etc? Bc that's the type of roster we typically had.
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-“well that simply isn’t true” I’m going to need you to at least contradict with one positive before saying I’m wrong.
that pesky "improved record every season" thing that nobody wants to acknowledge. Actually being able to inbound the ball from under our own basket. Actually being able to beat a full court press. Playign some offense and scoring points. Selling out our home games. Improved fan interest prior to 3 months ago. Improved recruiting. Is that enough?
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-yes we know anyone can transfer at any time. Just not any other school had every scholarship player leave
so what? Tons of schools have been ravaged by the portal, that's not exclusive to us. Would you be ok if we had 3 guys leave? Where do you arbitrarily draw the line between 'whatever, i hate this portal thing' and 'wait that's too many people, fire crean'?
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You think juniors and seniors with no nba future are finding more potential at mid tier at best schools (obviously not counting like kd or savhir)
why don't we just break it down individually then and see what we come up with?
wheeler- left for a much better program.
johnson- left for a currently much better program with a known cheater for a coach so nothing would surprise me with that situation.
toumani- this is the biggest one to me that is generally kind of a wtf? situation. However if we stop skyscreaming and look it logically there are a few things we notice. First and foremost, our program's last memory of Dayton was seeing JToppin completley dismantle us and become a high draft pick. Perhaps they sold toumani on being the next toppin? Idk. It's also important to point out that Dayton was in toumani's final 3 schools so they aren't just a dart throw on a map, he's obviously liked them for years. So while they aren't a big "name" program, maybe he just wanted a new start. If you want to blame crean being brash for this one fine I can see that.
christian brown- barely played. Probably thinks he's deserving of much more PT based on his recruitment so is transferring to do that
Fagan- similar to brown, probably thinks he's deserving of much more PT and is going to go somewhere where he can do that. Much like camara there is a history here though, as fagan committeed to kermit prior to switching to us. Since he has a free pass with no repercussions he wanted to go play for the coach he originally committed to.
Garcia and Kier- We brought those guys in on 1-year loans essentially and didn't expect them back, are we really upset that they aren't returning? I'm actually shocked Horne is returning.
So, I mean you can look at the actual number and think it's completely outrageous, but when you look at each person individually it's not that shocking IMO. Every player 1)went to a better program 2)went to a coach they have a history with and were close with prior to UGA 3)left for more PT, which means they weren't a factor here in the first place 4)is an upperclassman that wasn't expected to stay anyway
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-yes our record improved. At a snails pace.
your record is all that matters. Not your roster, not your draft picks, not your transfer numbers. Your wins and losses, period. Would you prefer the alternative of us losing more games yearly?
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Every single school has been to the tournament in the sec since we last went.
gee perhaps fox has something to do with that?
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Do you remember when Indiana fans warned us.
indiana fans are delusional. Crean went to multiple sweet 16s with them and they were pissed they weren't final 4s. They have bama football level entitlement so excuse me for not giving a shite that they're bitter about the guy.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 7:44 am to fibonaccisquared
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find that we are frequently on the same page here on these boards so color me slightly puzzled by your apologetic nature for Crean
I laid out many of my points above, but above all else what I think just utterly boggles my mind more than anything is the absolute EXTREME level of inconsistency our fanbase shows towards all of our coaches EXCEPT crean. I guess I feel like I'm the only guy standing up for a kid getting picked on in school.
Stricklin- we're in year 8 and nobody is even whispering about firing a guy that has never made it past a regional. His first 4 years we never even broke .500!
Joni- pretty mediocre first 5 years before finally putting together a really good looking club in year 6 (this year) then prematurely upset in tourney.
Kupets- The best and most successful athletic program in UGA history has been a completely dumpster fire since suzanne left. NOt a peep about righting the ship
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Felton- Terrible. Overall losing record his first 4 years. High water mark was winning 19 games and losing in the NIT 2nd round in year 4. Then an all-timer of a storybook miracle that will never happen again (beating coaches andy kennedy, billy gillespie, rick stansbury, and john pelphrey). We still had double the amount of sec losses that year than wins, even with the miracle. That bought him another year where we returned to the norm and were on the way to another losing season. He was given 5.5 years.
Fox- Given nine fricking years. Never had an offense, wasn't that great of a recruiter, badly mismanaged in-game coaching, boring as a thumbtack. Good year in year 2 (with mostly felton's players) but years 1/3/4 were all losing records. Years 5 and on looked decent by the number of wins but postseason success was minimal and we got worse in the SEC standings every single season. From tied for 2nd in year 5 (and losing in the NIT 2nd round), to 3rd, then 6th, then 8th, then 11th. Also if you have a rivals subscription if you want a fun read go look at what Cal's beat writer has to say about fox, literally every problem we had with him they are too, they can't stand him.
So looking at all the mediocreness to downright awfulness above where barely a peep is heard, why are we pounding fists after THREE YEARS of crean? Let me ask, if our entire roster was returnign would anyone be screaming? No? So basically people's entire issue with the guy is the amoutn of roster turnover. How logical is that? What about the guys that we're bringing in, why are we not even going to see them play in 1 game before writing the season off? And holy hell can you imagine if the portal was always around? Dennis felton didn't even allow facial hair below the lip and ran the program like a drill seargant, you don't think people would have left en masse with him? Ditto for fox.
I've said it plenty and will say it again, the portal is absolutely ruining college sports (football and basketball) and is the biggest reason why we're in this mess. At this time a year ago nobody had any clue how good horne would be and KD was still 9 months away from even playing a game for us. I just simply don't understand why in so many othe rprograms or under so many other coaches our fans just sit bakc and make excuse after excuse, or are just downright apathetic, but will shout from the rafters how bad crean is and needs to go after year 3. THREE! It's completely illogical. Also in the past I only recall about 4 or 5 people that have actually posted about basketball yet now everywhere I turn people are bashing crean, I wonder if some people just read an ajc headline about the transfers then decide on the spot we need to fire him
Posted on 5/20/21 at 7:46 am to WG_Dawg
Bottom line, we can overlook the roster and the rumors of everyone in every facet of the program not liking him if he was winning. He isn’t. Plus, his team are frustrating as frick to watch, even by UGA standards. Next year is his last year, so it is what it is. Good thing is the next coach will be able to build the team faster with the new rules
Posted on 5/20/21 at 8:02 am to Peter Buck
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we can overlook the roster and the rumors of everyone in every facet of the program not liking him if he was winning. He isn’t.
well, technically he is just not as much as we'd like. Would you prefer losing records and group hugs? Becuase that's what we've gotten in the past and it seems like people were cool with it.
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Plus, his team are frustrating as frick to watch, even by UGA standards
Crean teams are exponentially less frustrating to watch that fox, I don't even know how anyone could begin to debate that.
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Good thing is the next coach will be able to build the team faster with the new rules
why? They're going to have the same rules that crean does.
Posted on 5/20/21 at 9:54 am to WG_Dawg
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well, technically he is just not as much as we'd like. Would you prefer losing records and group hugs? Becuase that's what we've gotten in the past and it seems like people were cool with it.
If we are gonna suck anyways, then yes. Group hugs are nice.
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Crean teams are exponentially less frustrating to watch that fox, I don't even know how anyone could begin to debate that.
Not sure what you are looking for, but inconsistent shooting and spotty defense, especially in the paint sucks to watch.
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why? They're going to have the same rules that crean does.
Exactly, Crean will be gone after this upcoming season, so at least our new Coach will be able to rebuild the team through the portal faster than could be done in the past.
Posted on 5/24/21 at 9:25 pm to Peter Buck
One down, 10 more spots to go.....
Just got transfer from Aaron Cook, Gonzaga guard
Just got transfer from Aaron Cook, Gonzaga guard
Posted on 5/25/21 at 5:11 pm to WG_Dawg
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Stricklin- we're in year 8 and nobody is even whispering about firing a guy that has never made it past a regional. His first 4 years we never even broke .500!
I can't think of a college coach in any sport who got more screwed over by the Wuhan flu than Stricklin. We were setup to have a great baseball team last year with as good of a 1-2 pitching combination as anyone outside of maybe Vandy with Rocker and Leiter.
Posted on 8/5/21 at 1:31 am to VADawg
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