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Posted on 5/22/20 at 11:02 pm to
Posted by Farmer1906
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Posted on 5/22/20 at 11:02 pm to
Hey bird. Sorry to hear you’re no longer black. How you taking the news?
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 5/22/20 at 11:11 pm to
It was a shock, ngl. Looked down and was wondering why tf my skin was translucent all of a sudden. Then I heard ol' boy's quote and it made sense. Patiently waiting to be claimed off waivers by someone. Hopefully not the Inuits. I hate the cold
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 5/24/20 at 12:35 am to
If it wasnt the NASCAR then this confirmed it
Posted by S
RIP Wayde
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Posted on 5/24/20 at 1:52 pm to


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@skleibert SLC, Stephen F. Austin, played 82 ineligible players from 2013-2019. SFA will forfeit 300 games, loss of scholarships, 1 year ban “death penalty” for basketball, football, and baseball in 2020, 3 years probation beginning 2021 and loss of scholarships.


Pouring one out for ol’ Steve
Posted by Texas Weazel
Louisiana is a shithole
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Posted on 5/25/20 at 1:43 am to
frick. The NCAA keeps punishing small schools for the sins of the bigger ones.
Posted by Old Sarge
Dean of Admissions, LSU
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 5/25/20 at 5:39 am to
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Don't rub all up on people for no fricking reason


But I was really looking forward to my “joe Biden” years!
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24028 posts
Posted on 5/26/20 at 11:12 am to
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So you're admitting that you're only doing what you're doing for the responses? It is bad enough that this board is dead, but do we really need the insufferable Poli Board bleeding over into tArk??? You need to check your arse at the door, son.



Imagine posting on a discussion board in an attempt to discuss things or create discussion. What a monster.

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You bring up Sweden, but leave out the fact that neighboring Scandinavian countries with similar demographics, health systems, and lifestyles have had less deaths. As a matter of fact, Sweden has had three times more deaths than Denmark, Iceland, Finland, and Norway...combined.


Why would you think Sweden's numbers should be comparable to Norway, Finland, Iceland, or Denmark, and not the Netherlands or Belgium (both of which are higher)?

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You also conveniently leave out the fact that a lot of people in Sweden practiced social distancing on their own. The government also put some restrictions on large crowd gatherings and most people followed them (for the most part...yes, we all saw those b-rolls of kids playing in the park).


I left a lot out, not just about Sweden. Can't put every detail into a single post.

I DID however, qualify Sweden as being only a partial control. Again, the differences are high.

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I know you think it's cool to question everything that goes against your political beliefs (because we definitely needed to politicize the WuFlu ),


Its not cool, it's smart. I also question things that go in favor of my political beliefs as well, which is why I don't buy pizzagate, Q, or anything else.

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but questioning social distancing is asinine.


No its not. Social distancing as we have practiced it:

- quarantining entire populations
- mask wearing (or not mask wearing, or wearing masks again) of anything and everything
- 6 foot distance between everyone
- Closure of some businesses but not others
- Closure of places which you're naturally away from people like Golf courses, national parks
- etc etc

has no actual scientific evidence of benefit, and has never been tried before.

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If I stay in my home and don't interact with anyone, then I'm not going to get sick.


You're correct. But that's not what's been happening. Grocery stores are still open. Liquor stores, hospitals, gas stations, walmart, home depot, etc are all still open and I can tell you, are just as crowded as before, if not more so. Social distancing as we are practicing it is NOT 'everyone stay home no matter what and board up the door'. That would undoubtedly be effective for those in single family homes. That's not what we're doing and not what I'm calling out.

I'm saying 'kicking the soccer ball a few feet is not getting us to the goal a mile away' and your retort is 'yeah but if you kicked it a mile it would get there'. No shite. But we aren't kicking it a mile, are we?

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End of discussion


Certainly not.

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If I do go out, but take certain precautions (minimize my time with other people, everyone wears masks, I disinfect groceries and other objects I introduce into my home, etc), then I'm simply reducing my risks, not eliminating them.


All of which seem like they'd be common sense. Sadly, there is no data that says doing so on a societal level makes any difference. Only computer models, with biases input by the researchers.

Remember when it was fat, not sugar, that was the thing you should not eat? I wonder if you ever even realized the shift there in research. Do you ever wonder why? I sincerely doubt it.

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but this is a dangerous road you're going down on.


I remain blissfully unaware of the dangers of questioning my betters.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/26/20 at 1:28 pm to
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For whoever downvoted: I laugh at your impotent, silly rage because I questioned people who graduated medical school.


Question away, I’m the closest thing to a COVID expert as it gets right now and I can confidently say there is no such thing as a COVID expert yet
Posted by Texas Weazel
Louisiana is a shithole
Member since Oct 2016
8528 posts
Posted on 5/26/20 at 3:21 pm to
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Imagine posting on a discussion board in an attempt to discuss things or create discussion. What a monster.


Oh common . You knew what you were doing by linking your Political Board post here.

You don't shite where you eat son.
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Why would you think Sweden's numbers should be comparable to Norway, Finland, Iceland, or Denmark, and not the Netherlands or Belgium (both of which are higher)?

For the reasons I stated. All these countries share similar demographics, similar healthcare systems, similar lifestyles, similar standards of living, etc.

Comparing Sweden to Poland makes as much sense as comparing Canada to Mexico.
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I left a lot out, not just about Sweden. Can't put every detail into a single post

But you definitely did leave out details that destroy your theory.
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Its not cool, it's smart. I also question things that go in favor of my political beliefs as well, which is why I don't buy pizzagate, Q, or anything else.

There's questioning conspiracy theories, and then there's questioning proven methods of slowing a viral spread. Yuuuge difference.
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No its not. Social distancing as we have practiced it:

Oh...so now you're not questioning social distancing, but how WE IMPLEMENTED it? This is the definition of moving goal posts. That's not what you came at us with (which makes the rest of your post an entire new argument).

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I remain blissfully unaware of the dangers of questioning my betters.

At the end of the day, this is my real issue with your post. You're posting a dangerous style of thinking (your original one, not your new revised one ) to a dangerous group of gullible idiots who eat, breathe, and sleep the Politics Board. We're talking about a group of people who will blame everyone for everything except Trump because that's what THEY WANT to believe. These are the type of people who will look for the smallest justification there is in order to not wear uncomfortable masks in public. This is the last thing we need in this weird, wacky world; people believing what they want about an unknown virus for their own convenience . People have forgotten what it means to make sacrifices for their country .

Like many people have said earlier, we still don't know the entire effects of this virus. It could be less harmful than your run-of-the-mill flu, or it could have devastating long-term effects in our lungs and lifestyles (it's a virus after all...this shite could reactivate on healthy people just like other viruses do). You feeding a bunch of imbeciles the shite they are looking to eat doesn't do anyone any good at the moment.
Posted by WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:06 am to
Love this back and forth btw
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:42 am to
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We're talking about a group of people who will blame everyone for everything except Trump because that's what THEY WANT to believe. These are the type of people who will look for the smallest justification there is in order to not wear uncomfortable masks in public. This is the last thing we need in this weird, wacky world; people believing what


I live in a state that has used COVID-19 as an excuse to implement some pretty demented shite. Don't believe me? Look up "Washington State Comprehensive Sex Education". The Governor here claims "look at the data" then refuses to show it. We now have the SECRET SERVICE looking into unemployment fraud here, yet the clowns that run my state put the rights of violent felons and illegals above the rights of law abiding citizens.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46505 posts
Posted on 5/27/20 at 1:41 pm to
Let’s be honest though, the mismanagement of Washington state didn’t start with Trump or COVID-19. They’ve been a model for how NOT to do things for a while now
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
50213 posts
Posted on 5/27/20 at 2:22 pm to
I saw a ridiculous map the other day that broke up the deaths by 1/3s.

1/3 of the deaths were in NYC.
1/3 of the deaths were in the surrounding area (Jersey, Mass, Conn) plus Det & Chi.
1/3 was everywhere else.

I don't understand how Cuomo isn't taking more of a beating in all this. His order for nursing homes to take in covid19 patients is probably the single largest mistake (leading to deaths) made in all of this.
Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
79980 posts
Posted on 5/27/20 at 2:29 pm to
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the mismanagement of Washington state didn’t start with Trump or COVID-19. They’ve been a model for how NOT to do things for a while now


I've lived here for almost 7 years (not including 6 months in Afghanistan and 1 year in Korea) and I can say with 100% certainty that, while it may not have STARTED with COVID19 it has ACCELERATED since COVID.

You know we're still not at Phase 2 yet even though we have fewer infections and deaths per capita than Georgia, Florida or Texas?
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24028 posts
Posted on 5/27/20 at 3:34 pm to
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Oh common . You knew what you were doing by linking your Political Board post here.

You don't shite where you eat son.


Yeah, we aren't on the same page as far as what discussion boards are for. That's ok, we can discuss it.

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For the reasons I stated. All these countries share similar demographics, similar healthcare systems, similar lifestyles, similar standards of living, etc.



Far be it from me to try to tell an American about how other countries aren't 'all the same'.

I wasn't comparing anyone to Poland, but since you brought it up, Norway's GDP PPP is further from Sweden's than from Poland's (Norway is oil rich). Sweden is 80% Swedish, and Norway is 80% Norwegian (also, the Netherlands are 80% Dutch). Poland is 96% Polish, so the native ratio is different for sure (although I would ask if COVID in Europe sees much disparity between native ethnic and settler ethnicity). They all share WILDLY different geographies; Sweden is lowland farmland for the most part, Norway is a mountainous city-state. Denmark considerably more population dense than Sweden and most of those people are on islands. Finland is marshland. Poland is an armor testing ground.

Is there some glaring measurement that I should be aware of, as to why I should not compare Sweden to Poland? Poland, surprisingly, has a MUCH lower rate of death per 1MM pop than any of the Scandinavian countries. Why do you think that is? I do actually wonder why (I assume you do not).

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Comparing Sweden to Poland makes as much sense as comparing Canada to Mexico.



Are you suggesting Mexico shares a long, intermingled history with Canada, even seeing large chunks of it's maritime provinces ruled by Canada? Seems you're engaging in hyperbole. Here's a picture of Raffi Torres, a Mexican playing hockey for the Edmonton Oilers. Checkmate.



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Oh...so now you're not questioning social distancing, but how WE IMPLEMENTED it? This is the definition of moving goal posts. That's not what you came at us with (which makes the rest of your post an entire new argument).



I moved no goal posts. This is cliff notes of how this particular point has gone:

Me: There is no evidence social distancing works.
You: Of course it does! How can you even say social isolation doesn't work? If I'm completely isolated, I can't get anything.
Me: Let me restate to be clear: social distancing, in the common definition of our government, which is the entity crafting rules and recommendations it calls 'social distancing'. That's what I refer to when I say 'social distancing.'
You: Hah! Moving goal posts! You meant social isolation before!
Me:

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gullible idiots who eat, breathe, and sleep the Politics Board.
I'm gullible because I ask questions, but you are skeptical because you don't? See, two can strawman.

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These are the type of people who will look for the smallest justification there is in order to not wear uncomfortable masks in public. This is the last thing we need in this weird, wacky world; people believing what they want about an unknown virus for their own convenience .


I would say that people who are able to generate an income at home, order everything they need online, and generally find themselves unaffected by the 'social distancing guidelines and rules' as we have been practicing, find it quite convenient to rub moralistic assertions with tenuous ties to actual scientific evidence into the faces of those whose economic lives are being destroyed. I would say that fits a very nice little definition of "people believing what they want about an unknown virus for their own convenience".

I'll note, again, that you have yet to link to any conclusive research that contradicts my first point: that there is none.
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24028 posts
Posted on 5/27/20 at 3:43 pm to
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I don't understand how Cuomo isn't taking more of a beating in all this. His order for nursing homes to take in covid19 patients is probably the single largest mistake (leading to deaths) made in all of this.



He's been taking a pretty hard beating locally in New York.

Posted by Texas Weazel
Louisiana is a shithole
Member since Oct 2016
8528 posts
Posted on 5/27/20 at 4:23 pm to
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Yeah, we aren't on the same page as far as what discussion boards are for. That's ok, we can discuss it.

Totally, let me just go talk about Texas A&M football on the Florida Gators forum, because that's obviously the proper place to talk about A&M football. .

(Which brings me to the next question, why question the effectiveness of social distancing on the politics board? Seems like an OT topic.)
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I wasn't comparing anyone to Poland, but since you brought it up,

Umm, you brought up Poland.
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Norway's GDP PPP is further from Sweden's than from Poland's (Norway is oil rich).

That doesn't change the fact that they share more in common genetically and culturally than the rest of Europe. And since this virus seems to affect certain regions differently than others, it just makes sense to compare countries with similar genetic makeup. Wouldn't you agree?
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They all share WILDLY different geographies; Sweden is lowland farmland for the most part, Norway is a mountainous city-state. Denmark considerably more population dense than Sweden and most of those people are on islands. Finland is marshland. Poland is an armor testing ground.

Are you suggesting that "geography" could be as big of a variable as lifestyle, food, genetics, and healthcare access when it comes to the WuFlu?
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Is there some glaring measurement that I should be aware of, as to why I should not compare Sweden to Poland?

You can compare them all you want. But it just makes more sense to compare Scandinavian countries with each other, don't you think?
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Are you suggesting Mexico shares a long, intermingled history with Canada, even seeing large chunks of it's maritime provinces ruled by Canada?

I'm not suggesting, I'm simply "qUeStIoNiNg" (oh wow, that's an easy cop-out. No wonder you love using it ).
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I moved no goal posts

I'll concede that point...Because you moved the fricking field son . You brought up new points that totally changed your original argument. At no point in your original post did you question the implementation of social distancing and instead questioned social distancing as a whole.

And now you're saying I talked about "social isolation", but left out the part where I said keeping distance and taking proper precautions minimizes risks.
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I'm gullible because I ask questions, but you are skeptical because you don't? See, two can strawman.

I didn't call you gullible. But if that's the first thing you went for because of my description of the Poli board, then that's on you.
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I would say that people who are able to generate an income at home, order everything they need online, and generally find themselves unaffected by the 'social distancing guidelines and rules' as we have been practicing, find it quite convenient to rub moralistic assertions with tenuous ties to actual scientific evidence into the faces of those whose economic lives are being destroyed.

If that's how you feel, then that's how you feel about it. Unfortunately, this has nothing to do with the argument of whether social distancing works (or in your new and improved revised argument, our implementation of social distancing).
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I would say that fits a very nice little definition of "people believing what they want about an unknown virus for their own convenience".


So common fricking sense is elitist now?
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I'll note, again, that you have yet to link to any conclusive research that contradicts my first point: that there is none.


I would have thought common fricking sense would have prevailed here. But I guess acting like contrarian is the new "cool" in the political circle's since you're not making a claim; just qUeStIoNiNg .
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 5/27/20 at 10:26 pm to
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:03 pm to
Once more it is proven that the Dry Bean >>> the Dixie Chicken.

Even God thinks so.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46505 posts
Posted on 5/27/20 at 11:44 pm to
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Dry Bean >>> the Dixie Chicken.


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