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re: AD- "Sumlin has to win and he has to win this year."

Posted on 5/31/17 at 11:38 am to
Posted by rockiee
Sugar Land, TX
Member since Jan 2015
28540 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 11:38 am to
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Losses to UCLA, Arkansas, Alabama, Florida, Auburn, Ole Miss, and LSU.



Impossible, we will blow the game on the goal line or in the 4th
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
58049 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 11:51 am to
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Connor Mcqueen's popularity is the most quintessential aggy thing in modern times





Bruh every school has a Rudy that the fanbase loves. Grow a sack and GTFO w/your whiny self loathing.

Posted by Nguyening
SEMO
Member since Jun 2013
9057 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 11:56 am to
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Bruh every school has a Rudy that the fanbase loves. Grow a sack and GTFO w/your whiny self loathing.



Sure, but we do it at an elite level.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60127 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 1:34 pm to
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
50283 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 1:48 pm to
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 2:10 pm to
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I want to win again.


Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
20354 posts
Posted on 5/31/17 at 3:03 pm to
Sumlin VERY lucky that shorthorns have continued to shite the bed over the last 5+ years. He has been given maximum time and maximum patience in a large part because of the train wreck in Austin.

Hard to believe this year...playing the brutal schedule in the SEC W... and having an OOC game on the road at UCLA and of course a conference game at Florida on the road at the Swamp and Sumlin probably has to have 3 losses or less to save his job.

Good lord... he done.

Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
42492 posts
Posted on 6/1/17 at 1:05 am to
Feel like that helps the fans feel better, but definitely doesn't help recruiting.

I guess at the same time if Sumlin left those recruits would start to look around anyways.
Posted by Nguyening
SEMO
Member since Jun 2013
9057 posts
Posted on 6/1/17 at 8:09 am to
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Feel like that helps the fans feel better, but definitely doesn't help recruiting.

I guess at the same time if Sumlin left those recruits would start to look around anyways.



Coaching changes usually don't affect recruiting nearly as much as we expect them to. As long as you can sell the new coach as an upgrade, you usually hold it together mostly. That's not to say it has no effect, bc it obviously does.

I'm more worried we won't get a solid enough base to the class before then for it to even matter.
This post was edited on 6/1/17 at 8:33 am
Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
42492 posts
Posted on 6/1/17 at 10:08 am to
Yeah, it's a lot easier to keep a current commit to A&M when they see Chad Morris or Chip Kelly coming than it is to flip them from a different school.

It's tougher to get them to commit in the 1st place though when they aren't sure if Sumlin will still be the coach.
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 6/1/17 at 12:04 pm to
Posted by Spirit Of Aggieland
Houston
Member since Aug 2011
4607 posts
Posted on 6/1/17 at 3:34 pm to
I like it. Improve, or someone else will get a shot
Posted by AgSwag1
Member since Oct 2015
189 posts
Posted on 6/2/17 at 5:31 pm to
No Chip Kelly please. DJ Durkin, Gary Patterson or Brent Venables would be a far better choice.
This post was edited on 6/2/17 at 5:32 pm
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 6/3/17 at 7:00 am to
Gary Patterson is NEVER leaving TCU. They've hooked him up incredibly fat with oil lease dividends and his leash is a mile long there. No one can out-compensate his deal there OR offer him more leeway than they do. Everyone needs to stop posting about him for jobs. It's stupid.

In Chip Kelly's 4 seasons as Oregon HC, he went to a BCS bowl EVERY YEAR. Since he left they've fallen on their faces.

DJ Durkin is 6-7 as a HC. Venables has NEVER been a HC.

How the are those possibly better choices?
Posted by AgSwag1
Member since Oct 2015
189 posts
Posted on 6/3/17 at 4:34 pm to
You underestimate the power of the benjamins and being the only SEC team in one of the most fertile recruiting areas in the country. You may be right he won't come but you make people like Patterson tell you no. As for Durkin, I get that he has to have a good year but he has transformed Maryland recruiting overnight and is a driven MF. So is Brent V and not having a HC gig yet is true but he has recruited Texas to a very high level before and has a stellar resume....he may not want to be a HC but again you make people like Venables tell you no. We need a defensive minded coach to win in the SEC. Chip Kelly won a million years ago before anybody ran no huddle spread concepts and he cheats (and worse, he gets caught)...today the spread is everywhere and is unlikely to get you the wins he did, especially in the SEC. We need a defensive minded HC that will stress running the ball and stopping the run for us to win in this conference. Who are your recommendations? Paul Chryst and Aggie Chad also come to mind if you want an offensive guy. But I have no doubt we can field a great offense with the high school talent in Texas....a great defense tho is what it will take to win the SEC and a defensive HC could get us there.
This post was edited on 6/3/17 at 4:46 pm
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 6/3/17 at 8:17 pm to
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You underestimate the power of the benjamins and being the only SEC team in one of the most fertile recruiting areas in the country.


You underestimate how large his current compensation really is and overestimate how much the SEC means to anyone. He's hugely remunerated and totally free from concern that a losing season or two will get him fired. Fabulously rich and secure. Not everyone has an overwhelming need to win a Natty. Some guys just want to be stress-free ballers. Gary has it made in the shade. Put him out of your mind.

Brent has never been HC despite all the opportunity in the world and advancing age. That concerns me because it seems that he doesn't feel like a HC job is a good fit for HIMSELF. I don't want to be his failed foray into HCing that he took just because he's getting older and doesn't want to regret not giving it a shot. I want someone with a fire to be a HC and a chip on their shoulder. Look at Sumlin for an example of what happens when you don't really want it. Or hell, Retired-In-Place Chavis.

I also don't think hiring an assistant coach to become HC in our situation is a good idea. Anyone you hire from the assistant ranks is going to have to learn to be a HC on the job. Even if they've understudied beneath a great HC. There's a learning curve regardless, and the place to go through that process is not in the SEC with the pressure of a 100,000 seat type program. Look at what's going on at Georgia.
This post was edited on 6/3/17 at 8:19 pm
Posted by KSCC
Member since Mar 2016
128 posts
Posted on 6/3/17 at 9:00 pm to
Sumlin almost landed him as a DC instead of Snyder - Pat Narduzzi. He beat Clemson and Penn State last season. Our last good hire came from Pitt. It's meant to be.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 12:17 pm to
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We need a defensive minded coach to win in the SEC.


That just feels like a recipe for disaster when you consider our talent base. We already tried that whole defensive thing recently when we poached Chavis and he couldn't get these pussy Texas recruits to hit people to save his career.

I think our best chance is to find the best spread/offensive guy we can get to make every game a basketball game. Chip Kelly is a name for sure on that short list.
This post was edited on 6/5/17 at 12:18 pm
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
60127 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 1:25 pm to
Durkin and Narduzzi are both interesting but they're guys you can put further down the list and still get (unless Maryland or Pitt has a monster year). I am not opposed to hiring a defensive guy as HC and going big for an OC.
Posted by Nguyening
SEMO
Member since Jun 2013
9057 posts
Posted on 6/5/17 at 1:35 pm to
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Gary Patterson is NEVER leaving TCU. They've hooked him up incredibly fat with oil lease dividends and his leash is a mile long there. No one can out-compensate his deal there OR offer him more leeway than they do. Everyone needs to stop posting about him for jobs. It's stupid.



He has reportedly already reached out about our job.
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