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Muthsera
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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You say "informed," I say needlessly negative.

The main takeaway from those stats is that McElwain was a really bad recruiter.

It's honestly not even worth talking to them, might as well be a brick wall. Let them continue thinking McWilliams, Jackson, etc will be key pieces of our defense.


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armtackledawg
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Member since Aug 2017
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Mullen is an elite strategic mind? That is next level delusion. Don't you think an elite strategic mind would have at least played in the SECCG in 10 years as a coach? And dont give me the MSU bs. An elite coach would have gotten even them over the hump.


DawgsLife
Georgia Fan
Member since Jun 2013
35735 posts

re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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Florida is still 1 more class away from catching UGA iyam. Florida will likely have a top 5 class in 2020, so I do think the gap is closing.

I usually stay away from threads like this because they tend to spiral down into trolls, and the recruiting thread is a troll free zone. (I already suspect a couple of posters are starting their troll)

I do have to ask, though, why you think Florida is going to pull a top 5 class in 2020, though. Is it based on anything solid? Does the state of Florida have an especially strong class? Or do you think it is a momentum thing? (Florida certainly does seem to have momentum going)

All that and I think it is obvious Florida is closing the gap. Can they close it? Maybe. Right now it appears to be happening, though.


olemc999
Florida Fan
MDI Maine
Member since Oct 2010
7048 posts

re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
Well the 2020 class is currently #6 and Mullen showed this year he could take a class that was 30th at one time and grind his way to the #9 class


atlgator
Florida Fan
Jacksonville, Atlanta, Gainesville
Member since Aug 2014
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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why you think Florida is going to pull a top 5 class in 2020, though. Is it based on anything solid? Does the state of Florida have an especially strong class? Or do you think it is a momentum thing?


The state of Florida is exceptionally strong this year, particularly in Gator friendly areas. Look at the top 10 players in Florida- no IMG guys. Kids from Jacksonville, Lakeland, Ocala, Tampa- all Gator strongholds. We are in good shape right now to land 3-5 of the top 10 players in the state. And an even bigger chunk of the top 25-30 players in the state.

It’s the combination of momentum, a core of currently committed guys that are buying in to the “rep your home state” theme and recruiting those other talented players to join them, and the fact that there’s so much talent in reliable Gator country. I don’t think top 5 is a stretch at all. And I think Florida showed their recruiting is picking up, beating UGA and Alabama head to head for a couple of top guys on NSD. Things are trending in the right direction and could blow up for us this year.


BroadwayJoe12
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Nola
Member since Jun 2015
274 posts

re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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3)Tennessee 9-3


Assuming those losses are to Florida, Georgia, & Alabama that would have the Vols ending the season on a 5 game win streak and the last loss being in mid October. Something tells me that isn’t going to happen


BigDave1967
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Tennessee
Member since Dec 2018
117 posts

re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
South Carolina,Missouri and Vanderbilt are going to be poor in 2019 and aren't going to beat Tennessee. I think Kentucky who lost a ton of talent goes 7-5 and loses to Tennessee in Lexington.


atlgator
Florida Fan
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Member since Aug 2014
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
I agree that Kentucky and Vandy (although dangerous with Vaughn returning) will take a step back. I just don’t think South Carolina is good or well coached.

Missouri is interesting though. I’m interested to see if they take a big step back with Drew Lock leaving. He killed us. Bringing in Kelly Bryant makes them a dangerous team still. I’m hesitant to say that they’ll be poor next year.


BloodSweat&Beers
East Carolina Fan
One Particular Harbor, Fl
Member since Jan 2012
7988 posts

re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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This comes from an informed gator:

Now for some things that concern me:







He is the one who likes to use the term "blue chips" you like so much.


Chad 23
Florida Fan
Member since Dec 2016
715 posts

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. Don't you think an elite strategic mind would have at least played in the SECCG in 10 years as a coach?


You expect him to take Mississippi State University to the SEC championship game during a time in which Alabama has had one the best runs of championships in college football history...he took State to heights they will never see ever again. Lol “elite strategic mind”, you mean like faking a punt on 4th and 11 with a backup qb that everybody saw was on the field....


Kimsey
Georgia Fan
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2013
763 posts

re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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I think all UF fans believe in Mullen as an elite strategic mind and I'm not sure anyone believes the same about Kirby.


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The frick are you talking about. Both teams had similar talent at the time. Mullen is the new Richt of the East, nothing more or less.



armtackledawg
Georgia Fan
Member since Aug 2017
2241 posts

re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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he took State to heights they will never see ever again


He had one winning SEC record at MSU.

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Lol “elite strategic mind”, you mean like faking a punt on 4th and 11 with a backup qb that everybody saw was on the field....


Uh, I did not call Kirby an elite strategic mind.


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atlanta917
Georgia Fan
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2017
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No doubt both UT and UF had nice recruiting classes in 2019 - Congratulations to both fanbases. However a popular hot take on messageboards and in college sports media is "Vols and Gators are 'closing the gap' on Georgia's hold on SEC East". 2019 Recruiting Class Ranks: UGA #2 UF #9 UT #11 How can you have a worse class than UGA and still close the gap?

Imo what I think they are talking about is while UGA signed better classes, UF and UT signed significantly better classes than they did the year prior. The gap between the #2 class and the #18 class is greater than the #2 and the #7. UGA is still getting great player, just not that many more than UT and UF last year. It’s more difficult for UGA to improve on the second rated class with 5 5*’s than it is for UF and their class.


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BigDave1967
Tennessee Fan
Tennessee
Member since Dec 2018
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
Also Missouri is on NCAA probation because of academic fraud and can't go to a bowl game in 2019. I think that could have an effect on Missouri also.


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BloodSweat&Beers
East Carolina Fan
One Particular Harbor, Fl
Member since Jan 2012
7988 posts

re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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The frick are you talking about. Both teams had similar talent at the time. Mullen is the new Richt of the East, nothing more or less.


Are you saying that the 2017 SEC champions and national runners up had the similar talent to a Miss State team?



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Gatorbait2008
Florida Fan
Member since Aug 2015
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
Difference between Goergia and Bama is coaching staff.

Your head coach is not Saban. Saban is significantly better than Kirby at basically everything. You may be as talented, but you aren't as good. Kirby is a man with some great bagmen sure...but he now has a very average OC and shite...do you have a DC yet?


GatorsGators
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Member since Oct 2012
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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Mullen is an elite strategic mind? That is next level delusion. Don't you think an elite strategic mind would have at least played in the SECCG in 10 years as a coach? And dont give me the MSU bs. An elite coach would have gotten even them over the hump.

Mullen had a higher w% at Mississippi State than Saban did at Michigan State, ya know. Certain programs have ceilings. That's reality.

Mullen brought that program to levels of success never previously experienced.

No one knows what'll happen over the next five years but speaking in absolutes just shows you're scared.


Dawgsontop34
Georgia Fan
Member since Jun 2014
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Your head coach is not Saban. Saban is significantly better than Kirby at basically everything


Saban has also been a head coach for 20+ years and we’re in Kirby’s 3rd season. Saban is/should be better.

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Mullen had a higher w% at Mississippi State than Saban did at Michigan State, ya know. Certain programs have ceilings. That's reality.


I think D’Antonio has a better record at MSU than Saban did as well. I think most people think Dan Mullen is elite at developing QBs and has a great offensive mind. I think most people also think Kirby has a great defensive mind.
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GatorsGators
Stetson Fan
Member since Oct 2012
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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The frick are you talking about. Both teams had similar talent at the time. Mullen is the new Richt of the East, nothing more or less.

Yes, because judging Mullen's team at MSU with an average recruiting class of like #18 or so against a UGA team is fair.

No UF fan is going to convince a UGA fan that Mullen is an elite coach and Kirby is just a good one, nor is a UGA fan going to convince a UF fan of the opposite, but as evidenced by Clemson's success over the past few seasons, a talent gap can be overcome.


DawgsLife
Georgia Fan
Member since Jun 2013
35735 posts

re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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Well the 2020 class is currently #6 and Mullen showed this year he could take a class that was 30th at one time and grind his way to the #9 class


Okay. I mean, I understand Mullen got a #9 class this year, but I wouldn't base it on the class being #6 right now. It's still early, and Miami is at #3 right now.
Things are going to be drastically different in about 6 months.

That's not to say Florida will not get that top 5 class,...just that where they are now doesn't mean anything at all.

Early in a cycle average rating per recruit is usually very high, for instance and Florida is barely top 10 in average rating per recruit....and typically that number drops as recruits get on board. It fluctuates, for sure, but overall typically goes down.


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