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Dawgsontop34
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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Only to you mutts who act like y’all are Bama because you’ve competed for a couple of mythical recruiting championships. As if all Saban does to win is recruit good players. There is way more to it my guy.


Obviously. We’re not Bama. We haven’t won a National Championship in almost 40 years. I know there’s more to it than just recruiting good players. But it is one of the most important pieces to winning a NC.

I don’t understand what this has to do with our performances against y’all the last two years.


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GatorsGators
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
The "gap" isn't something that really matters. It's just UGA fans parading around recruiting victories.

I think all UF fans believe in Mullen as an elite strategic mind and I'm not sure anyone believes the same about Kirby. To make up the "gap" UF is going to have to develop an elite QB in the near future, but we're all pretty confident in that happening with Mullen at the helm. A #9 class with elite leadership is perfectly capable of beating a #2 class with good leadership.


djsdawg
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
This comes from an informed gator:

Now for some things that concern me:

• For the 4th consecutive recruiting cycle, UF failed to land a 5-star prospect - 28 teams have now signed a 5-star since UF last did in 2015. The only other SEC teams without one during the period are Vanderbilt, UK, and Mizzou. Given that UF’s 5-stars have gone on to AP All-SEC success at a rate of 65%, that’s a real problem. As of 2:24 pm on signing day, SEC teams ranked above UF have signed 13 of them (Alabama 3, Georgia 5, TAMU 2, LSU 3), Tennessee is awaiting word on their 2nd this afternoon, and Auburn has 2 as well. Both Mississippi schools landed one, while even South Carolina conned one of the poor souls into joining their fray. With half of a 4-year roster-building cycle now complete under Coach Mullen, this is a failure that can’t be effectively spun.

• Little to no improvement in the number of top-100s on the roster – UF’s 4 national top-100 prospects (Elam, Bogle, Hopper, & Steele) look like future stars, but this class needed more of them. The total of 4 is 11th best in UF history & tied for last with Mac’s 2016 effort among UF bump-cycle classes. Consider that UF’s 4-year cumulative total of top-100 prospects signed currently sits at 9, the exact same number that preceded the 2018 season. That means that the 2019 class didn’t provide any year over year improvement in this important category. Also consider:

1) Pre-McElwain UF teams signed, on average, 23.2 top-100 prospects in the 4 classes prior to each season.

2) SEC champions since 2005 have signed on average, 28.5 top-100s in their 4 classes preceding title runs. Even when omitting teams from 2011 to present (which removes Alabama’s massive recruiting run), the average still sits at 22.4.

So, with only 9 in the past 4 cycles, UF is nowhere near the historical SEC Championship template for top-end talent. With Alabama, Georgia, and now Texas A&M loading up (and not even counting LSU, who continues to outpace UF in signing elite prospects), the top-end-talent gap appears just as big today as it did on signing day 2018. That’s bad.

• UF is still struggling to land top in-state talent – Even with Diwun Black included, and even with adjustments made for OOS IMG Academy prospects, UF only signed 4 of Florida’s top-25 2019 prospects. That matches the total signed in 3 of the last 4 cycles, and ties with 2 other years (2002 Zook transition and 2011 Muschamp transition) for 11th best at UF in composite history. Discounting Black and putting the total at 3 for 2019 would tie for worst in UF class history. Things are much more average when instead viewing the in-state top-40 however, as UF’s total of 8 ranks 10th over the past 18 cycles. Also, in fairness, some have noted an unfavorable geographic talent distribution that may have been a disadvantage in the state for UF this year.

• UF didn’t make an upward move in the SEC rankings – With acknowledgement of the score cluster that exists among teams 6-10, UF once again finds itself in the middle of the conference recruiting pack. After averaging an SEC class rankings of 2.7 in the years prior to Jim McElwain, the Gators’ last 5 classes have ranked 10, 6, 5, 4, and 5 in the conference. That’s not good. No team has made the playoffs without at least 1 top-3 in-conference class ranking, and in most cases, playoff teams are dominant in-conference recruiters.


scrooster
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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Here's how I think the SEC East will be this season

1)Georgia 10-2
2)Florida 10-2
3)Tennessee 9-3
4)Kentucky 7-5
5)South Carolina 5-7
6)Missouri 5-7
7)Vanderbilt 2-10


Sheeesh Dave. lulz


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GatorsGators
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
You say "informed," I say needlessly negative.

The main takeaway from those stats is that McElwain was a really bad recruiter.


Muthsera
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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You say "informed," I say needlessly negative.

The main takeaway from those stats is that McElwain was a really bad recruiter.

It's honestly not even worth talking to them, might as well be a brick wall. Let them continue thinking McWilliams, Jackson, etc will be key pieces of our defense.


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armtackledawg
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
Mullen is an elite strategic mind? That is next level delusion. Don't you think an elite strategic mind would have at least played in the SECCG in 10 years as a coach? And dont give me the MSU bs. An elite coach would have gotten even them over the hump.


DawgsLife
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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Florida is still 1 more class away from catching UGA iyam. Florida will likely have a top 5 class in 2020, so I do think the gap is closing.

I usually stay away from threads like this because they tend to spiral down into trolls, and the recruiting thread is a troll free zone. (I already suspect a couple of posters are starting their troll)

I do have to ask, though, why you think Florida is going to pull a top 5 class in 2020, though. Is it based on anything solid? Does the state of Florida have an especially strong class? Or do you think it is a momentum thing? (Florida certainly does seem to have momentum going)

All that and I think it is obvious Florida is closing the gap. Can they close it? Maybe. Right now it appears to be happening, though.


olemc999
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
Well the 2020 class is currently #6 and Mullen showed this year he could take a class that was 30th at one time and grind his way to the #9 class


atlgator
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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why you think Florida is going to pull a top 5 class in 2020, though. Is it based on anything solid? Does the state of Florida have an especially strong class? Or do you think it is a momentum thing?


The state of Florida is exceptionally strong this year, particularly in Gator friendly areas. Look at the top 10 players in Florida- no IMG guys. Kids from Jacksonville, Lakeland, Ocala, Tampa- all Gator strongholds. We are in good shape right now to land 3-5 of the top 10 players in the state. And an even bigger chunk of the top 25-30 players in the state.

It’s the combination of momentum, a core of currently committed guys that are buying in to the “rep your home state” theme and recruiting those other talented players to join them, and the fact that there’s so much talent in reliable Gator country. I don’t think top 5 is a stretch at all. And I think Florida showed their recruiting is picking up, beating UGA and Alabama head to head for a couple of top guys on NSD. Things are trending in the right direction and could blow up for us this year.


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BroadwayJoe12
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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3)Tennessee 9-3


Assuming those losses are to Florida, Georgia, & Alabama that would have the Vols ending the season on a 5 game win streak and the last loss being in mid October. Something tells me that isn’t going to happen


BigDave1967
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
South Carolina,Missouri and Vanderbilt are going to be poor in 2019 and aren't going to beat Tennessee. I think Kentucky who lost a ton of talent goes 7-5 and loses to Tennessee in Lexington.


atlgator
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
I agree that Kentucky and Vandy (although dangerous with Vaughn returning) will take a step back. I just don’t think South Carolina is good or well coached.

Missouri is interesting though. I’m interested to see if they take a big step back with Drew Lock leaving. He killed us. Bringing in Kelly Bryant makes them a dangerous team still. I’m hesitant to say that they’ll be poor next year.


BloodSweat&Beers
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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This comes from an informed gator:

Now for some things that concern me:







He is the one who likes to use the term "blue chips" you like so much.


Chad 23
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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. Don't you think an elite strategic mind would have at least played in the SECCG in 10 years as a coach?


You expect him to take Mississippi State University to the SEC championship game during a time in which Alabama has had one the best runs of championships in college football history...he took State to heights they will never see ever again. Lol “elite strategic mind”, you mean like faking a punt on 4th and 11 with a backup qb that everybody saw was on the field....


Kimsey
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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I think all UF fans believe in Mullen as an elite strategic mind and I'm not sure anyone believes the same about Kirby.


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The frick are you talking about. Both teams had similar talent at the time. Mullen is the new Richt of the East, nothing more or less.



armtackledawg
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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he took State to heights they will never see ever again


He had one winning SEC record at MSU.

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Lol “elite strategic mind”, you mean like faking a punt on 4th and 11 with a backup qb that everybody saw was on the field....


Uh, I did not call Kirby an elite strategic mind.


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atlanta917
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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No doubt both UT and UF had nice recruiting classes in 2019 - Congratulations to both fanbases. However a popular hot take on messageboards and in college sports media is "Vols and Gators are 'closing the gap' on Georgia's hold on SEC East". 2019 Recruiting Class Ranks: UGA #2 UF #9 UT #11 How can you have a worse class than UGA and still close the gap?

Imo what I think they are talking about is while UGA signed better classes, UF and UT signed significantly better classes than they did the year prior. The gap between the #2 class and the #18 class is greater than the #2 and the #7. UGA is still getting great player, just not that many more than UT and UF last year. It’s more difficult for UGA to improve on the second rated class with 5 5*’s than it is for UF and their class.


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BigDave1967
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
Also Missouri is on NCAA probation because of academic fraud and can't go to a bowl game in 2019. I think that could have an effect on Missouri also.


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BloodSweat&Beers
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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The frick are you talking about. Both teams had similar talent at the time. Mullen is the new Richt of the East, nothing more or less.


Are you saying that the 2017 SEC champions and national runners up had the similar talent to a Miss State team?



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