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Gatorbait2008
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
Difference between Goergia and Bama is coaching staff.

Your head coach is not Saban. Saban is significantly better than Kirby at basically everything. You may be as talented, but you aren't as good. Kirby is a man with some great bagmen sure...but he now has a very average OC and shite...do you have a DC yet?


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Mullen is an elite strategic mind? That is next level delusion. Don't you think an elite strategic mind would have at least played in the SECCG in 10 years as a coach? And dont give me the MSU bs. An elite coach would have gotten even them over the hump.

Mullen had a higher w% at Mississippi State than Saban did at Michigan State, ya know. Certain programs have ceilings. That's reality.

Mullen brought that program to levels of success never previously experienced.

No one knows what'll happen over the next five years but speaking in absolutes just shows you're scared.


Dawgsontop34
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Your head coach is not Saban. Saban is significantly better than Kirby at basically everything


Saban has also been a head coach for 20+ years and we’re in Kirby’s 3rd season. Saban is/should be better.

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Mullen had a higher w% at Mississippi State than Saban did at Michigan State, ya know. Certain programs have ceilings. That's reality.


I think D’Antonio has a better record at MSU than Saban did as well. I think most people think Dan Mullen is elite at developing QBs and has a great offensive mind. I think most people also think Kirby has a great defensive mind.
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GatorsGators
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The frick are you talking about. Both teams had similar talent at the time. Mullen is the new Richt of the East, nothing more or less.

Yes, because judging Mullen's team at MSU with an average recruiting class of like #18 or so against a UGA team is fair.

No UF fan is going to convince a UGA fan that Mullen is an elite coach and Kirby is just a good one, nor is a UGA fan going to convince a UF fan of the opposite, but as evidenced by Clemson's success over the past few seasons, a talent gap can be overcome.


DawgsLife
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Well the 2020 class is currently #6 and Mullen showed this year he could take a class that was 30th at one time and grind his way to the #9 class


Okay. I mean, I understand Mullen got a #9 class this year, but I wouldn't base it on the class being #6 right now. It's still early, and Miami is at #3 right now.
Things are going to be drastically different in about 6 months.

That's not to say Florida will not get that top 5 class,...just that where they are now doesn't mean anything at all.

Early in a cycle average rating per recruit is usually very high, for instance and Florida is barely top 10 in average rating per recruit....and typically that number drops as recruits get on board. It fluctuates, for sure, but overall typically goes down.


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DawgsLife
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The state of Florida is exceptionally strong this year, particularly in Gator friendly areas.

Ah! There you go. Legitimate reasons for Gator fans to be optimistic. And, with FSU having a horrible year and Miami going through coaching changes, I can see optimism there, too.
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It’s the combination of momentum, a core of currently committed guys
I really like Leonard Manuel. He's a great pickup for you guys. Wish we could have gotten him.

Thanks for answering....these all seem like legit reasons.


Dawgsontop34
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
Miami should get that first full year bump in their recruiting class. Granted, I thought Taggart would get it this year and he really didn’t.


BigDave1967
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
Miami's first recruiting class under Manny Diaz has totally sucked and so has FSU's under Willie Taggart


Dawgsontop34
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Miami's first recruiting class under Manny Diaz has totally sucked and so has FSU's under Willie Taggart



Your first full recruiting class generally gets a bump. Taggart’s did not which I mentioned. Diaz hasn’t had his first full class yet.

Transition classes usually aren’t great. It’s why I said for fans not to judge Tennessee, Florida, and A&M’s recruiting ability off their 2018 classes.
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Long Dawg
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
So after posing the question to my UF and UT brethren on “closing the gap” on the Dawgs - the response in a nutshell is:

- our coach is better (neither has beaten Kirby yet)

- Dawgs cannot improve with a #2 class and our teams are #9 and #11 in recruiting this year so even though Dawgs still have better class for 2019, the spread is less

- projection of future classes at UT and UF will be much higher ( cannot sign for at least 11 months).

Both Florida and Tennessee have excellent football programs historically and both seem to be trending upward. Florida is definitely ahead of Tennessee now and has geographical advantages to in-state HS talent. However Pruitt is a much better recruiter than Mullen who just cannot match the intensity of Kirby and Jeremy.

The gap may close some in next 4 years but not closing right now.

The only real threat to Georgia the next three years is our QB position. With Fields exiting, there is no surefire successor on campus right now to Fromm. Should Jake turn pro early or get hurt, even with a stacked UGA roster, UT and UF might could play close - but that assumes you have great QB play while Dawgs do not.

Outside of QB depth vulnerabilities, UGA has more talented starters and more depth and none of that will change over next 2-3 years.
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atlgator
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
So why are you so worried with what Florida is doing then?

If there’s no threat for the game in Jacksonville, then just move on. Bigger fish to fry, right?


Long Dawg
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
not worried


atlgator
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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not worried



~Someone worried


sand mountainDvalues
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
It’s incredible how much they seek validation from their conference peers, a very insecure group for sure.


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Dawgsontop34
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
I don’t think any of us should be ignoring what Tennessee and Florida are starting to develop in the East. They both appear to have solid head coaches who should recruit and coach better than their predecessors.

But it’s also not a forgone conclusion that they’re going to be at the same level as UGA going forward. I’m sure you can understand our optimism at the level we’re recruiting.


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Long Dawg
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
If Dawgs don’t secure a 5* QB to replace Fromm in 2020, then somewhat worried will be accurate.

UT and UF aren’t close and they haven’t closed the gap - wanted to see why you guys thought you had from your perspective.

If I was a fan of UF of UT, I would be encouraged but, especially UF fans are a little overconfident from their reality now - which is just fine.


Dawgsontop34
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
They finished in basically the same spot as us this year.


GatorsGators
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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However Pruitt is a much better recruiter than Mullen who just cannot match the intensity of Kirby and Jeremy.
yeah, okay


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Long Dawg
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
Huh?


DawgsLife
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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Miami should get that first full year bump in their recruiting class.

Surely not up to #3, though, right? bump? Probably. But it usually stays within reason. And rankings for classes will change drastically over the next several months.

I am not saying that Florida will not get a #5 class, however, with Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, Texas, LSU, Clemson and even Texas A&M recruiting at a high rate, it will be very difficult for Florida to break through to a top 5. I just think it would be a huge mistake for anybody to think they will get a top 5 class based upon where the classes sit today.


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