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Dawgsontop34
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
Do you think we’ll continue beating those teams on an average of 39-9.5 like we have the last two years?


Long Dawg
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
For the next two years? YES

Gators had a good class come in but look at who they lost - Polite(DE), Joseph(OLB) and Taylor(LT) - do they have as good or better players to replace them? Who is Gators starting QB in 2018? The two I have seen are below average.

VOLS? They were worse than Gators and not losing as much but less talent when Pruitt got there and last years recruiting class was really bad. Guarantano did progress and two really nice OT prospects and LB. VOLS will be better but most of the optimism is for players that will be Freshmen and the coaching changes - those moves will bare fruit but you are looking at three years before doing so.

If you want to speculate that in three years, by moves made today, these teams will be able to make up ground - I would reluctantly agree that it would be reasonable to forecast a closing of the gap then - but it’s pure speculation based on better coaching and things you think will happen.

UGA should have free reign over those teams and I don’t see a closing manifesting itself on the field - Dawgs should continue to roll for the next two years as long as Fromm here.

You have to also recognize that the DAWGS talent on the offense has and will stay fairly level but the defense should be primed to jump up significantly over these next two years as well. Gators and VOLS offenses could get better and STILL score less against Dawgs Defense. Here is a list of young players added in last two years that should be absolute monsters:

Nolan Smith, OLB/DE - 5* - Fresh
Adam Anderson, OLB/DE - 5* Soph
Brenton Cox, OLB/DE - 4* Soph
Travon Walker, DT/DE - 5* - Fresh
Jordan Davis, NT/DE - 3* Soph who played like 5*
Jermaine Johnson, OLB/DE - top kick
Channing Tindall, ILB, 4* Soph
Nakobe Dean, ILB, 5* Fresh
Otis Reese, Star/SS 4* Soph
Tyrique Stevenson, CB 5* Fresh
Tyson Campbell, CB 5* Fresh
DJ Daniel, CB 4* JUCO

The simple analysis I see all over the interwebs assumes a static UGA team from the last two years but I don’t see it. Even two years ago when defense had Roquan, LoCarter and Bellamy- that team had very good defense but nowhere near the across the board talent and depth as this team. The 2019/2020 UGA Defense SHOULD BE on a Bama level - and the “close the gap” analysis I have seen doesn’t recognize this.

A retort to the above might be “well you are listing some Freshman contributors for UGA while discounting Freshman contributors for UF and UT”. On some level I would accept but difference being Nolan, Travon, Nakobe & Tyrique are higher rated than UF and UT while also being surrounded by better upper class men while the rising Sophmores like Tindall, Cox & Anderson are ready to explode on the scene with a year in the system.

I fully expect an ELITE defense that should be the best in UGA history.
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Muthsera
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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I fully expect an ELITE defense that should be the best in UGA history.


Good luck with that.


Long Dawg
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
Won’t need luck.


BloodSweat&Beers
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
Polite, Taylor, and Joesph were all 3*s

Replaced with 4*s.

Gap closing. LOL

In your mind the gap is expanding. In a rational mind, the gap is closing. Sorry


DahlonegaDawg
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
Polite and Taylor will be off the board in the 1st 15 picks come April, so these 4 stars must be projected as top 5 picks in a few, correct? LOL.


Long Dawg
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
A rational mind? LOL

A rational mind would not believe a 3* going in 1st round being replaced by a 4* would be a step up.

How many 4* are there every recruiting cycle? 150+? How many are 1st rounders? ;)
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Chad 23
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Won’t need luck.


Well considering it’s been since 1980...y’all need all the luck in the world.


Dawgsontop34
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
I’m not saying i don’t expect us to be elite going forward. I just think UF and UT will continue to improve, especially Tennessee.

We’ve beaten those two teams by an average of 30 points over the last two years. I don’t think that will continue. That shouldn’t be a hot take


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Long Dawg
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
Ahhhhhhh the continually brainless 1980 comeback. That won’t help Mullen and Gators on the field the next several years.


djsdawg
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considering it’s been since 1980...y’all need all the luck in the world.


Don’t need luck to beat Florida or tenn


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atlgator
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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Polite and Taylor will be off the board in the 1st 15 picks come April, so these 4 stars must be projected as top 5 picks in a few, correct?


Going into this year, neither were projected to be first round picks.

Those coaches that helped develop them are still here. And now have guys that are viewed by recruiting services to be more talented. So if they’re able to develop “less” talented guys into first round picks, what will they be able to do with this new group of guys?


atlgator
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That won’t help Mullen and Gators on the field the next several years.


Kirby making decisions on the other sideline will help Florida the next several years.


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Dawgsontop34
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Those coaches that helped develop them are still here. And now have guys that are viewed by recruiting services to be more talented. So if they’re able to develop “less” talented guys into first round picks, what will they be able to do with this new group of guys?


You could argue the same thing for someone like Deandre Baker.

I’m trying to have non-bias arguments, but it just seems like y’all are trolling each other back and forth without even trying to understand where the other person is coming from.


atlgator
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You could argue the same thing for someone like Deandre Baker.

I’m trying to have non-bias arguments, but it just seems like y’all are trolling each other back and forth without even trying to understand where the other person is coming from.


No doubt on Deandre Baker. Y’all have some solid coaches just like we do. Legitimately, I think both Kirby and Mullen will get the most out of their respective rosters that can be had. I think Mullen can get slightly more out of his guys, maybe just because of more experience as a head coach, and I think he is better on gamedays.

My second comment was more of a troll but I do genuinely believe that both coaches are good coaches. I wouldn’t trade mine for yours, just like I don’t think you would trade yours for mine.


Dawgsontop34
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
Those are very fair opinions to hold. I didn’t want Mullen at UGA when he was mentioned as an option, but also thought he would do better at UF than UGA because of his history in Gainesville and previous experience recruiting the area.

I’m definitely not completely sold on Kirby as an in game coach yet, but when you have a certain amount of talent on the field it can make up for some questionable coaching decisions. I’m hopeful he’ll continue to get better as he gets more and more experience as a HC.


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boXerrumble
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UGA should have free reign over those teams and I don’t see a closing manifesting itself on the field - Dawgs should continue to roll for the next two years as long as Fromm here.


I guess no one in this thread watched the UF-UGA game this past year.


Dawgsontop34
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I guess no one in this thread watched the UF-UGA game this past year.



What do you mean?


GatorsGators
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
It was a relatively close game until the middle of the third despite UF shooting themselves in the foot repeatedly with turnovers and our top two corners out with McWilliams trying to imitate an SEC corner.

UF's secondary should be elite in 2019. Henderson, healthy Marco Wilson, Trey Dean, Brad Stewart, adding Steele and Elam...

The game wasn't close at the end but some UGA fans act like it was like the Pats against Arkansas when it was pretty evenly matched for awhile


boXerrumble
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The game wasn't close at the end but some UGA fans act like it was like the Pats against Arkansas when it was pretty evenly matched for awhile


UF for 50 minutes moved the ball comfortably in that game, but Franks consistently hindered the offense with turnovers.

McWilliams playing corner really hurt UF a lot too.


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