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Daddyof4
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
So you’re saying we put a better product on the field with our new coach than we did with the coach that got fired? Hmm, no shite.


RedFive
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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Florida’s class this year is very similar to recent Clemson classes, and they’ve put a significantly better product on the field than Georgia has. Mullen is a far far better gameday coach than Kirby is, he will get more out of a top 10 class than most would from top 3 classes. God forbid he ever signs an elite QB


Lol. What a dumbass.


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Crowknowsbest
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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Florida’s class this year is very similar to recent Clemson classes, and they’ve put a significantly better product on the field than Georgia has.

It isn’t similar to the two best parts of Clemson’s team (QB and DL).
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Dawgsontop34
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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So you’re saying we put a better product on the field with our new coach than we did with the coach that got fired? Hmm, no shite.


No. I meant Clemson has put out a better product than UGA one out of the last two seasons.


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gatordmb89
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
Florida is still 1 more class away from catching UGA iyam. Florida will likely have a top 5 class in 2020, so I do think the gap is closing. I also think Mullen is the better coach between he and Kirby. We will see the next few years though.


Crowknowsbest
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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Florida is still 1 more class away from catching UGA iyam. Florida will likely have a top 5 class in 2020, so I do think the gap is closing.

One top 5 class wouldn’t catch UGA. Not even close really. The gap is still very wide.

I don’t think people have a good grip on how talented UGA actually is. Not even remotely like the last few years with Richt and right there with Alabama at this point.

ETA: 2019 should be the most talented UGA team of the modern era by a good bit.
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GatorBait24
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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2019 should be the most talented UGA team of the modern era by a good bit.

Good. No bullshite, when UF beats UGa in Jax, you will have nowhere else to look then squarely at Kirby. All those stars still have to throw on uni’s and go play. UF has beaten more talented Georgia teams before.
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Dawgsontop34
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
Y'all definitely could win, but y'alls confidence after getting your arse handed to you the last two seasons in Jacksonville is a little bizarre.


BloodSweat&Beers
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
UGA may have more raw talent. However, UF is closing on UGA. The year before UF was 4 -7 and UGA was 13- 2. This year UF was 10 -3 and UGA was 11 -3. UGA won the head to head matchup. Close game in the 3rd but UGA closed out strong.

This was year one in Mullen's system and year three in Kirby's. The gap is closing.

If you want to take recruiting websites as fact ask Auburn fans about Bryan Cowart

Byron Cowart 48th All time highest recruit


Dawgsontop34
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If you want to take recruiting websites as fact ask Auburn fans about Bryan Cowart


Obviously recruiting websites miss on some people. Historically though, teams with better recruiting classes do well on the field.


ForeverGator
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
Cowart was a fiasco when he announced on NSD, felt that one coming for some reason.

Maybe Auburn can't develop though, that may be part of it.


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4thQuarterAndButch
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
Clemson has averaged the #11 recruiting class the last 4 years, per 247.

They must have a long way to go to catch up with the mighty pups.



BigDave1967
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
That shows what a great head coach Dabo Swinney is and what a great coaching staff he has


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Dawgsontop34
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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Clemson has averaged the #11 recruiting class the last 4 years, per 247.

They must have a long way to go to catch up with the mighty pups.





You’re taking everything I say as an absolute. Obviously that’s not always the case or teams like Boise St wouldn’t exist and Texas would win the Big 12 every year.

But generally speaking, teams that recruit at an elite level put out elite teams. I’m hopeful that’s the case for us going forward.


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GatorBait24
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Y'all definitely could win, but y'alls confidence after getting your arse handed to you the last two seasons in Jacksonville is a little bizarre

Only to you mutts who act like y’all are Bama because you’ve competed for a couple of mythical recruiting championships. As if all Saban does to win is recruit good players. There is way more to it my guy.


Dawgsontop34
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Only to you mutts who act like y’all are Bama because you’ve competed for a couple of mythical recruiting championships. As if all Saban does to win is recruit good players. There is way more to it my guy.


Obviously. We’re not Bama. We haven’t won a National Championship in almost 40 years. I know there’s more to it than just recruiting good players. But it is one of the most important pieces to winning a NC.

I don’t understand what this has to do with our performances against y’all the last two years.


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GatorsGators
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
The "gap" isn't something that really matters. It's just UGA fans parading around recruiting victories.

I think all UF fans believe in Mullen as an elite strategic mind and I'm not sure anyone believes the same about Kirby. To make up the "gap" UF is going to have to develop an elite QB in the near future, but we're all pretty confident in that happening with Mullen at the helm. A #9 class with elite leadership is perfectly capable of beating a #2 class with good leadership.


djsdawg
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
This comes from an informed gator:

Now for some things that concern me:

• For the 4th consecutive recruiting cycle, UF failed to land a 5-star prospect - 28 teams have now signed a 5-star since UF last did in 2015. The only other SEC teams without one during the period are Vanderbilt, UK, and Mizzou. Given that UF’s 5-stars have gone on to AP All-SEC success at a rate of 65%, that’s a real problem. As of 2:24 pm on signing day, SEC teams ranked above UF have signed 13 of them (Alabama 3, Georgia 5, TAMU 2, LSU 3), Tennessee is awaiting word on their 2nd this afternoon, and Auburn has 2 as well. Both Mississippi schools landed one, while even South Carolina conned one of the poor souls into joining their fray. With half of a 4-year roster-building cycle now complete under Coach Mullen, this is a failure that can’t be effectively spun.

• Little to no improvement in the number of top-100s on the roster – UF’s 4 national top-100 prospects (Elam, Bogle, Hopper, & Steele) look like future stars, but this class needed more of them. The total of 4 is 11th best in UF history & tied for last with Mac’s 2016 effort among UF bump-cycle classes. Consider that UF’s 4-year cumulative total of top-100 prospects signed currently sits at 9, the exact same number that preceded the 2018 season. That means that the 2019 class didn’t provide any year over year improvement in this important category. Also consider:

1) Pre-McElwain UF teams signed, on average, 23.2 top-100 prospects in the 4 classes prior to each season.

2) SEC champions since 2005 have signed on average, 28.5 top-100s in their 4 classes preceding title runs. Even when omitting teams from 2011 to present (which removes Alabama’s massive recruiting run), the average still sits at 22.4.

So, with only 9 in the past 4 cycles, UF is nowhere near the historical SEC Championship template for top-end talent. With Alabama, Georgia, and now Texas A&M loading up (and not even counting LSU, who continues to outpace UF in signing elite prospects), the top-end-talent gap appears just as big today as it did on signing day 2018. That’s bad.

• UF is still struggling to land top in-state talent – Even with Diwun Black included, and even with adjustments made for OOS IMG Academy prospects, UF only signed 4 of Florida’s top-25 2019 prospects. That matches the total signed in 3 of the last 4 cycles, and ties with 2 other years (2002 Zook transition and 2011 Muschamp transition) for 11th best at UF in composite history. Discounting Black and putting the total at 3 for 2019 would tie for worst in UF class history. Things are much more average when instead viewing the in-state top-40 however, as UF’s total of 8 ranks 10th over the past 18 cycles. Also, in fairness, some have noted an unfavorable geographic talent distribution that may have been a disadvantage in the state for UF this year.

• UF didn’t make an upward move in the SEC rankings – With acknowledgement of the score cluster that exists among teams 6-10, UF once again finds itself in the middle of the conference recruiting pack. After averaging an SEC class rankings of 2.7 in the years prior to Jim McElwain, the Gators’ last 5 classes have ranked 10, 6, 5, 4, and 5 in the conference. That’s not good. No team has made the playoffs without at least 1 top-3 in-conference class ranking, and in most cases, playoff teams are dominant in-conference recruiters.


scrooster
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
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Here's how I think the SEC East will be this season

1)Georgia 10-2
2)Florida 10-2
3)Tennessee 9-3
4)Kentucky 7-5
5)South Carolina 5-7
6)Missouri 5-7
7)Vanderbilt 2-10


Sheeesh Dave. lulz


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GatorsGators
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re: VolNation and GatorSwamp - SEC East talk
You say "informed," I say needlessly negative.

The main takeaway from those stats is that McElwain was a really bad recruiter.


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