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re: Would you keep Freeze or fire him?
Posted on 5/18/17 at 11:24 pm to BurnsideStyle
Posted on 5/18/17 at 11:24 pm to BurnsideStyle
ETA: FIRST - LAWYER THE frick UP
I'd fire him around August, and then use the full length of the season to evaluate options around December-January. Use the 2017 season as an opportunity to let an interim guy audition for a better job. (Be it the full-time gig at Ole Miss, or something elsewhere.) Those four months should give them plenty of time to figure out what the sanctions will be. If I were them, I'd jump on a self-imposed bowl ban of a year and a reduction of anywhere from 20-30 scholarships over the course of three years.
I'd fire him around August, and then use the full length of the season to evaluate options around December-January. Use the 2017 season as an opportunity to let an interim guy audition for a better job. (Be it the full-time gig at Ole Miss, or something elsewhere.) Those four months should give them plenty of time to figure out what the sanctions will be. If I were them, I'd jump on a self-imposed bowl ban of a year and a reduction of anywhere from 20-30 scholarships over the course of three years.
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Posted on 5/18/17 at 11:26 pm to jlntiger
What did Coach Freeze know, and when did he know it? If he approved of the $15,000 payment to Leo Lewis by the two boosters, he should be gone.
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Posted on 5/19/17 at 8:01 am to matthew25
Freeze's coaching has very very very little to do with the perception of success that some Ole Miss fans have.
Cheating, buying recruits and basically publicizing a 'hot white girls to use' culture might have more to do with it. Only the last will be left once the NCAA is finished.
The only contribution Freeze made was to be naive or compliant to the rampant cheating trying to catch up to Mullen and MSU. Note...I'm a hog fan, so we don't really care what you do since you still can't beat us, so don't think I'm pumping MSU sunshine. We all know that's why you started cheating in the first place.
Sorry to be so blunt. you asked.
Cheating, buying recruits and basically publicizing a 'hot white girls to use' culture might have more to do with it. Only the last will be left once the NCAA is finished.
The only contribution Freeze made was to be naive or compliant to the rampant cheating trying to catch up to Mullen and MSU. Note...I'm a hog fan, so we don't really care what you do since you still can't beat us, so don't think I'm pumping MSU sunshine. We all know that's why you started cheating in the first place.
Sorry to be so blunt. you asked.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 8:14 am to BurnsideStyle
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he can beat anyone on any given Saturday even with a depleted roster
Posted on 5/19/17 at 8:27 am to BurnsideStyle
It really doesn't matter at this point. Yalls football program is toast. I guess I would keep him because I don't know who ole miss could hire? I mean let's be honest here, ole miss doesn't attract high level/top tier coaches, kinda like ole miss doesnt attract top notch talent either, without cheating. I think hugh is the best ole miss can do really, and he wants to be there. Here's the real question though, how good of a coach is freeze? Ole miss has been cheating bigtime the whole time he has been there so how good of a recruiter is he when he has to play by the rules? Even while cheating blatantly he hasn't won the sec west, so how good of a coach is he? Ole miss is going to be back to recruitng the way they do when they aren't cheating...lucky to get a top 25 class even after all of this ncaa mess has passed. Ole miss' ceiling just isn't too high. So, I would just keep freeze and see what happens bc I don't see ole miss luring a top notch, proven head coach to oxford. Freeze is as good as it gets for ole miss. It's not a destination job for many coaches...it's a stepping stone. Coaches who go to ole miss and are successful will get hired away by bigger more powerful programs. Truth.
This post was edited on 5/19/17 at 8:32 am
Posted on 5/19/17 at 8:30 am to BurnsideStyle
He gone
Posted on 5/19/17 at 8:33 am to ImayGoLesMiles
Half measures are tempting.
Keeping Freeze is a half measure.
The only chance to truly reverse OM fortunes is to clean house and start over, That would give OM a chance to succeed faster than keeping Freezus.
It will likely be a four -five year process if you make the right decisions at the outset of housecleaning.
Could we interest you in The Orgeron as a new HC?
Keeping Freeze is a half measure.
The only chance to truly reverse OM fortunes is to clean house and start over, That would give OM a chance to succeed faster than keeping Freezus.
It will likely be a four -five year process if you make the right decisions at the outset of housecleaning.
Could we interest you in The Orgeron as a new HC?
Posted on 5/19/17 at 8:37 am to thunderbird1100
quote:How does one use cheating against him? "Dont go to ole miss they will pay your light bill." The horror
The recruiting against him would be pretty extreme
This post was edited on 5/19/17 at 8:38 am
Posted on 5/19/17 at 8:38 am to BurnsideStyle
Keep him and wrap ourselves in the sweet warmth of your disdain.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 8:42 am to BurnsideStyle
I think the bigger question is how many days will pass from the day he is fired till the day Nick Saban hires him?
Posted on 5/19/17 at 8:45 am to nitwit
LOL. Orgeronimeax just stomped freezes arse this year on short notice with a quick-fix scheme on offense. I don't get ole miss fans making fun of coach O after what he did to them last year. I've said it many times and its true, coaching at LSU and coaching at ole miss are 2 totally different animals. It's very possible that coach O will do very well at LSU even after he did por at ole miss. The disparity between the 2 jobs is substantial. So far it's Ed Orgeron- 1 and hugh freeze- 0. Ole miss should keep freeze until they absolutely have to fire him...which very well may happen.
This post was edited on 5/19/17 at 8:48 am
Posted on 5/19/17 at 8:50 am to DeltaDoc
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He can coach at OM with show cause.
depends on the restrictions of it, but one of them would definitely be recruiting related which ruins a main point of the op
Posted on 5/19/17 at 8:52 am to HailFreezusOver
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Lol. At the fear on this board
Took 10 posts for this to appear. Pretty bad
Posted on 5/19/17 at 8:53 am to BurnsideStyle
I haven't seen this point made, but if you fire Freeze, the next coach is likely walking into a job where he will be fired in 4 years as well depending on sanctions, possible transfers and such.
On the flip side, keeping Freeze may increase the NCAA penalty/crosshairs, etc.
I think if the penalty isn't worse with him, you keep him for a bit. If he gets a show cause or you can fire with cause to get out of the contract, you could pull the trigger. My worry is whoever the coach is for the next 3-4 years might not be in a great spot to win, so by firing Freeze you might be firing 2 coaches.
On the flip side, keeping Freeze may increase the NCAA penalty/crosshairs, etc.
I think if the penalty isn't worse with him, you keep him for a bit. If he gets a show cause or you can fire with cause to get out of the contract, you could pull the trigger. My worry is whoever the coach is for the next 3-4 years might not be in a great spot to win, so by firing Freeze you might be firing 2 coaches.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:08 am to BurnsideStyle
This is like asking if you should keep Bernie Madoff as your financial advisor or not after you hear from other investors it is a pyramid scheme and he is being investigated for fraud.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 9:27 am to HailFreezusOver
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Lol. At the fear on this board. He suck he's a cheater but get rid of him because of the sanctity of the team... Forget the fact it makes ole miss relevant and makes sec west more difficult for us. Please get rid of Hugh.
-signed the SEC West
Do fricking what?
Posted on 5/19/17 at 10:06 am to BurnsideStyle
Assume Freeze doesn't get a show cause (I feel he will, so the point might be moot).
He just went 5-7 without Tunsil, Nkemdiche, and Treadwell. OM didn't bring in that much talent this past cycle and probably won't for the next couple of cycles.
Can he keep his job if he turns in three or four consecutive 6-6 seasons anyway?
He just went 5-7 without Tunsil, Nkemdiche, and Treadwell. OM didn't bring in that much talent this past cycle and probably won't for the next couple of cycles.
Can he keep his job if he turns in three or four consecutive 6-6 seasons anyway?
Posted on 5/19/17 at 10:29 am to UAtide11
why would you assume that?
Posted on 5/19/17 at 10:31 am to yatesdog38
quote:If I'm operating a multi-million dollar operation (OM football is big business), then Bernie would've been shite canned by now.
This is like asking if you should keep Bernie Madoff as your financial advisor or not after you hear from other investors it is a pyramid scheme and he is being investigated for fraud.
Posted on 5/19/17 at 10:43 am to BurnsideStyle
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2. Recruiting: The odds of him being a better salesperson are higher also
How good of a recruiter is he, when he is not allowed to pay for his recruits.
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