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Would you be in favor of a 10-Game SEC Schedule?
Posted on 10/8/19 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 10/8/19 at 12:56 pm
Hear me out...
**The SEC would only do this if the BIG 10 agreed to do the same. The Big 12 can't unless they expand, but pressure could also be put on the ACC and PAC 12 to follow suit. The Big 10, Big 12, and PAC 12 already play 9 conference games, so getting them to commit to 10 is not that big of a jump.
**The reason 10 works better than 9 is because it would allow the Divisions to be mixed up to provide more balance, but it would also protect all major rivalries.
CHANGE UP THE DIVISIONS:
Move Auburn to the East and Vandy to the West to help balance the leagues.
*Move Ole Miss to the East and Missouri to the West to make better geographical sense.
Going by the previous 16 seasons, this would give the West an average SP+ rating of 14.68 and the East an average rating of 13.12..... that's very close to balanced. Currently the West is at 16.13 and the East is at 11.65
TWO PERMANENT CROSS-DIVISION GAMES:
Alabama: Play Auburn & Tennessee annually
Arkansas: Play Ole Miss & S. Carolina annually
Auburn: Play Alabama & Mississippi St. annually
Florida: Play LSU & Vandy annually
Georgia: Play Texas A&M & Missouri annually
Kentucky: Play LSU & Missouri annually
Ole Miss: Play Mississippi St. & Arkansas annually
Miss St.: Play Ole Miss & Auburn annually
Missouri: Play Kentucky & Georgia annually
S. Carolina: Play Arkansas & Texas A&M annually
Tennessee: Play Alabama & Vanderbilt annually
Texas A&M: Play Georgia & S. Carolina annually
Vanderbilt: Play Tennessee & Florida annually
This would allow Alabama to keep playing both Auburn and Tennessee every year.
This would allow Mississippi State and Ole Miss to keep playing every year.... as well as Tennessee and Vanderbilt.
It would reignite the rivalries, annually, between Auburn & Florida... Auburn & Tennessee... as well as Missouri and Texas A&M.
ROTATION:
A full rotation of the schedule would take 10 years.... every team would play 8 opponents annually with the other 5 rotating.
For the rotating opponents, every team would play every other team FOUR times during a 10-year period.... twice at home and twice away. This would ensure every team playing every SEC opponent at least once every 3 seasons and in every SEC venue at least once every 6 seasons.
This would be much better than what we have currently.
THE REST OF THE SCHEDULE:
*I would say in addition to 10 conference games, I'd make a rule that each team had to play at least one Power 5 program OOC and I'd ban all FCS games completely.
If the BIG 10 agreed to implement a similar plan, every program with a realistic shot of winning the National Title would be playing a similarly difficult schedule with a few exceptions such as Clemson.... who already plays a joke schedule so it really wouldn't be any different.
**The SEC would only do this if the BIG 10 agreed to do the same. The Big 12 can't unless they expand, but pressure could also be put on the ACC and PAC 12 to follow suit. The Big 10, Big 12, and PAC 12 already play 9 conference games, so getting them to commit to 10 is not that big of a jump.
**The reason 10 works better than 9 is because it would allow the Divisions to be mixed up to provide more balance, but it would also protect all major rivalries.
CHANGE UP THE DIVISIONS:
Move Auburn to the East and Vandy to the West to help balance the leagues.
*Move Ole Miss to the East and Missouri to the West to make better geographical sense.
Going by the previous 16 seasons, this would give the West an average SP+ rating of 14.68 and the East an average rating of 13.12..... that's very close to balanced. Currently the West is at 16.13 and the East is at 11.65
TWO PERMANENT CROSS-DIVISION GAMES:
Alabama: Play Auburn & Tennessee annually
Arkansas: Play Ole Miss & S. Carolina annually
Auburn: Play Alabama & Mississippi St. annually
Florida: Play LSU & Vandy annually
Georgia: Play Texas A&M & Missouri annually
Kentucky: Play LSU & Missouri annually
Ole Miss: Play Mississippi St. & Arkansas annually
Miss St.: Play Ole Miss & Auburn annually
Missouri: Play Kentucky & Georgia annually
S. Carolina: Play Arkansas & Texas A&M annually
Tennessee: Play Alabama & Vanderbilt annually
Texas A&M: Play Georgia & S. Carolina annually
Vanderbilt: Play Tennessee & Florida annually
This would allow Alabama to keep playing both Auburn and Tennessee every year.
This would allow Mississippi State and Ole Miss to keep playing every year.... as well as Tennessee and Vanderbilt.
It would reignite the rivalries, annually, between Auburn & Florida... Auburn & Tennessee... as well as Missouri and Texas A&M.
ROTATION:
A full rotation of the schedule would take 10 years.... every team would play 8 opponents annually with the other 5 rotating.
For the rotating opponents, every team would play every other team FOUR times during a 10-year period.... twice at home and twice away. This would ensure every team playing every SEC opponent at least once every 3 seasons and in every SEC venue at least once every 6 seasons.
This would be much better than what we have currently.
THE REST OF THE SCHEDULE:
*I would say in addition to 10 conference games, I'd make a rule that each team had to play at least one Power 5 program OOC and I'd ban all FCS games completely.
If the BIG 10 agreed to implement a similar plan, every program with a realistic shot of winning the National Title would be playing a similarly difficult schedule with a few exceptions such as Clemson.... who already plays a joke schedule so it really wouldn't be any different.
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 12:57 pm to BHMKyle
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Move Ole Miss to the East and Missouri to the West to make better geographical sense.
You lost me here Kyle
Also - wouldn't that mean Georgia, Kentucky, Florida and Carolina would basically have 1 free date on the entire schedule?
This post was edited on 10/8/19 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 10/8/19 at 12:58 pm to BHMKyle
TLDR
Posted on 10/8/19 at 12:58 pm to BHMKyle
Why does everyone keep putting in permanent cross-division games for teams? Why? In the CFP era, traditional bowls mean nothing, so rivalries mean nothing. We’d get to play all the teams more often due to the faster rotation, so you’d still be playing the old foes every few years at least.
Otherwise, I think a 10 game schedule is fine, I’d gladly drop playing GT every year to play another SEC team. Although 9 or 10, I do think its time to end all FCS games for SEC teams going forward.
Otherwise, I think a 10 game schedule is fine, I’d gladly drop playing GT every year to play another SEC team. Although 9 or 10, I do think its time to end all FCS games for SEC teams going forward.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 12:58 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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You lost me here Kyle
I mean Ole Miss is at lot closer to Georgia and Florida than Missouri is.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 12:59 pm to BHMKyle
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Would you be in favor of a 10-Game SEC Schedule?
ugh no
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Move Auburn to the East and Vandy to the West to help balance the leagues
4 of the big 6 in one division is balance?
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Georgia: Play Texas A&M & Missouri annually
gross
Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:00 pm to ugacdawg
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Why does everyone keep putting in permanent cross-division games for teams? Why? In the CFP era, traditional bowls mean nothing, so rivalries mean nothing.
Rivalries mean everything.
If rivalries mean nothing, then why the hell would an SEC team not move to the ACC or the PAC 12. You could play a bunch of cupcakes you have no history with but you'd have a lot easier path to the playoff.
Why does no one do that? Because they want to keep their rivalries.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:04 pm to WG_Dawg
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4 of the big 6 in one division is balance?
It's time to stop pretending Tennessee is "Big 6". Historically speaking, yes, but in terms of modern day strength they are not even close.
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gross
Georgia already plays Mizzou every year. Trading Texas A&M for Tennessee in terms of an annual game would actually increase our SOS in most years.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:20 pm to BHMKyle
The Big Ten, Pac 12, and Big 10 all play 9 game conference schedules, why not have the SEC join those 3 conferences and play a 9 game conference schedule.
The SEC, like the Big Ten, has 14 teams, a 9 game schedule lets you play all 6 of your same division opponents plus 3 crossover games against the other division. You would see the other teams more just doing that. If the ACC also went to 9 games, all the Power 5 would be doing that.
Th Big Ten has no permanent cross divisional rival games except for Purdue-Indiana because that was the only way they would agree to be in different divisions.
The SEC could go that route, or still keep 1 permanent cross divsional rival and still rotate 2 teams a year through the other other 6 teams, which would let you see every team in 3 years either home or away.
It seems like a smaller hill to climb than going all the way to 10 games.
The biggest downside to a 9 game schedule is that one year a team has 5 conferences home games and the next only 4, so it makes OOC scheduling a little more difficult.
The SEC, like the Big Ten, has 14 teams, a 9 game schedule lets you play all 6 of your same division opponents plus 3 crossover games against the other division. You would see the other teams more just doing that. If the ACC also went to 9 games, all the Power 5 would be doing that.
Th Big Ten has no permanent cross divisional rival games except for Purdue-Indiana because that was the only way they would agree to be in different divisions.
The SEC could go that route, or still keep 1 permanent cross divsional rival and still rotate 2 teams a year through the other other 6 teams, which would let you see every team in 3 years either home or away.
It seems like a smaller hill to climb than going all the way to 10 games.
The biggest downside to a 9 game schedule is that one year a team has 5 conferences home games and the next only 4, so it makes OOC scheduling a little more difficult.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:22 pm to BHMKyle
Stop with the permanent games already. They're terrible. Just rotate the schedule.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:23 pm to UKWildcats
Yes, even with a 9 game conference schedule just get rid of them.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:24 pm to BHMKyle
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It's time to stop pretending Tennessee is "Big 6". Historically speaking, yes, but in terms of modern day strength they are not even close.
they're big 6 based on 100+ years of history. Despite their last 10 years of utter mediocrity they are still the 2nd best program historically in the SEC in many categories. Their tenuous grasp on that is slipping by the year, but they are still a historical power that will eventually be good again.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:32 pm to BHMKyle
There is zero benefit to this to the SEC... No other conference would be penalized as heavy by having to play 10 conference games.
Roommate Switch or bust for schedule improvements.
Roommate Switch or bust for schedule improvements.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:33 pm to fibonaccisquared
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Roommate Switch or bust for schedule improvements.
if this is the official title of the pod system one where every team has 3 permanent opponents and rotates everyone else..I agree. It just makes so much sense and I can't think of a single negative to it.
With something as radical as that though I wonder what it would even take to get hte ball rolling. It seems like the fatcats that would actually be behind making a major change like this would hear "ok, first you scrap everything you've ever known about sec scheduling" and instantly deny it.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:36 pm to BHMKyle
quote:What strength does Auburn bring to the East? If you haven't noticed, they ain't doin too well against those East teams.
CHANGE UP THE DIVISIONS:
Move Auburn to the East and Vandy to the West to help balance the leagues.
*Move Ole Miss to the East and Missouri to the West to make better geographical sense.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:38 pm to BHMKyle
quote:Because the SEC is the richest conference?
Why does no one do that? Because they want to keep their rivalries.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:42 pm to WG_Dawg
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if this is the official title of the pod system one where every team has 3 permanent opponents and rotates everyone else..I agree. It just makes so much sense and I can't think of a single negative to it.
Yep... I don't necessarily agree with their exact pairings, but the system is the best IMO:
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With something as radical as that though I wonder what it would even take to get hte ball rolling. It seems like the fatcats that would actually be behind making a major change like this would hear "ok, first you scrap everything you've ever known about sec scheduling" and instantly deny it.
The weird thing is, it really *doesn't* actually change that much, other than the concept of a permanent "East v West" is scrapped in favor of a better balanced Even/Odd year division pairings.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:42 pm to WG_Dawg
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but they are still a historical power that will eventually be good again.
I'll take "Things People Said back in 2008", Alex.
In terms of Big 6 status, Tennessee is literally living off of accomplishments under General Neyland.
Everyone wants to act like the current state of Vol football is the anomaly. But in actuality, the Peyton Manning years and the few seasons that followed in his wake were the true anomaly.
From 1973-1994, Tennessee played 22 seasons of football and had just THREE Top 10 finishes.
From 1995-2001, Tennessee played 7 seasons of football and had SIX Top 10 finishes.
From 2002-2019, Tennessee has played 18 seasons of football and have had ZERO Top 10 Finishes.
So if you take away a relatively short 7-year period from 1995-2001, Tennessee has bookend periods spanning 40 seasons that produced just three teams that finished in the TOP 10. This just happens to coincide with Integration so there appears to be a root cause.
The late 1990s were the true anomaly. Why does everyone keep on forcing themselves to pretend that the height of the Fulmer era was something normal for Tennessee? It wasn't.
Tennessee will never be on the same level as The other Big 5 for a sustained period of time. It's just not going to happen no matter how much folks want to pretend.
This post was edited on 10/8/19 at 1:45 pm
Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:43 pm to RT1941
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What strength does Auburn bring to the East? If you haven't noticed, they ain't doin too well against those East teams.
Now do Vandy against the West and compare.
Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:46 pm to BHMKyle
Tennessee's inability to hire a competent coach is not proof that they'll never be good again.
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