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Posted on 7/4/18 at 2:30 pm to OKTGR580
He did well at L7U, won a NC.
So yes, he would do well at the similar schools you posted. He would win a SEC and NC at all Big 6 SEC schools and probable at all others sans maybe Vandy.
Non big 6 Definites:
TAMU, ARK, USCe, Mizzo
75+% at MSST, Miss, UK,
45-55 at Vandy
So yes, he would do well at the similar schools you posted. He would win a SEC and NC at all Big 6 SEC schools and probable at all others sans maybe Vandy.
Non big 6 Definites:
TAMU, ARK, USCe, Mizzo
75+% at MSST, Miss, UK,
45-55 at Vandy
Posted on 7/4/18 at 2:35 pm to 3down10
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How are the coaches today any better? Most of them just got fired last year, so it's a bunch of 1st year coaches really.
The SEC when Saban came was at it's strongest, it's now at it's weakest.
Your post is bullshite.
The coaches may not be much of an upgrade, but the programs now are putting money into their programs. Like I said, UT was heading into the lowest point in their history. AU followed TT with Chizik. LSU had Miles. The SEC didn't have A&M and Missouri, so the Facility Arms Race had not started yet. Saban was able to come in and not really be challenged by another program before he got his system in place. Once CUM left, the coaching void was really evident. Even then, Saban has only one undefeated season and has had three Mulligan to help him win NCs. That is no bullshite.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 2:50 pm to Irons Puppet
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The coaches may not be much of an upgrade, but the programs now are putting money into their programs.
A bunch of coaches have cycled through at all the programs. They can put tons of money into facilities but if the recruiting and coaching isn't there then so what?
I mean Saban has pretty much blown out all comers no matter what cycle a particular team is in: up or down.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 2:55 pm to 14&Counting
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A bunch of coaches have cycled through at all the programs. They can put tons of money into facilities but if the recruiting and coaching isn't there then so what?
I mean Saban has pretty much blown out all comers no matter what cycle a particular team is in: up or down.
We will see what this cycle will bring. They all have better chances to succeed due to facility upgrades. Look at the West now compared to 12 years ago. I think every one of the teams have made multi-million dollar improvements during that period. Something few would have made prior to the SECN money.
Note: Freeze was pretty successful against Saban. AU has won a NC and played for another in that timeframe. Even Gus is 2-3 against him.
This post was edited on 7/4/18 at 2:58 pm
Posted on 7/4/18 at 2:56 pm to OKTGR580
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Would Saban have the same success at other SEC schools?
Not sure it would be the exact same success but I'm inclined to think so, he's a special coach, one of the greatest of all-time and that's what special people do: they accomplish greatness
Posted on 7/4/18 at 2:57 pm to OKTGR580
10 years ago? No. Now? Yes because he would still sign top classes at those schools. Saban is one of the biggest legends in CFB history that can now recruit on the basis of "I'm Nick Saban."
Posted on 7/4/18 at 3:04 pm to Irons Puppet
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We will see what this cycle will bring.
No one thinks Saban is infallible and there is increasing parity in the league.....but no one has approached the level of his consistency as evidenced by his winning half the titles in the last decade.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 3:04 pm to DawgsLife
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then turned a meh Alabama program (at the time) around.
He had a whole lot of help right from Day 1 from the ESPN hype machine though
Posted on 7/4/18 at 3:25 pm to OKTGR580
Yes.
He’s that good.
Might not win as much at a non-big 6 school, but he would make Any team the best they’ve ever been.
He’s that good.
Might not win as much at a non-big 6 school, but he would make Any team the best they’ve ever been.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 3:26 pm to airfernando
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Saban said and knew he could have the most success at bama. He knew he would get favoritism at bama from the SEC office. He also knew bc of bama's history he would have media bias.
..don't forget the refs' total commitment to Alabama's success...and unlimited Chargers!
Posted on 7/4/18 at 3:28 pm to Irons Puppet
So it's easier to come in when the entire SEC is strongest than it is when it's weakest?
Posted on 7/4/18 at 3:32 pm to OKTGR580
IF all of those schools had "booster tactics" that match what Bama has done then sure.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 3:39 pm to BurgTiger
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IF all of those schools had "booster tactics" that match what Bama has done then sure.
You're fricking clueless.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 4:03 pm to BowlJackson
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He had a whole lot of help right from Day 1 from the ESPN hype machine though
Okay. But are you saying Ohio State, USC and Notre Dame has not had that same hype machine, plus more form other media outlets?
Posted on 7/4/18 at 4:19 pm to 3down10
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So it's easier to come in when the entire SEC is strongest than it is when it's weakest?
How do you come up with the SEC being the strongest when Saban came in ? In 2007 the league was really three teams, UF, UT and LSU, the rest fed off the weak.
Then in 2008 it was really just two teams. UT's downward spiral had begun and they finished 5-7 that year. LSU finished 8-5 and we saw where Les was taking them. TT was 5-7 and the rest of the league was below average. UGA was consistent, but we knew Richt had peaked with the program. Ole Miss actually finished second in the SECW that year with a 9-4 record.
Actually, Saban came in on the down slide of the major powers in the league.
This post was edited on 7/4/18 at 4:21 pm
Posted on 7/4/18 at 4:21 pm to 3down10
He would have great success wherever he coached, but not the level he has had a Bama. Only OSU on a national level might be able to match the same environment. I laugh at the thought that UT would have been the same. They were and still are dysfunctional and it's not because of Lane Kiffin who was there one year. Again, success but not like at Bama. UGA, AU and ?UF? would not have given him the control he needs and deserves. AU couldn't because of their "recruiting setup" that they will not abandon (that's the reason for their obscure/odd hires.) UGA was too arrogant and Foley may not have allowed it. UF didn't need him anyway. LSU was the next best shot behind Bama, and they have their issues as well. Plus no one has the historical optimism, expectations and sense of entitlement that Bama has. He won 10 games twice at LSU in 5 years, he's won 10 or more every year at Bama but the first and even then came within a hair of winning the West with bad talent, including 3 walkons starting on defense, and the NC LSU in the same division. When he arrived the SEC was at it height, contrary to the envious and bitter AU poster who said otherwise. It would continue for his first 8 or 9 years.
Saban loved it at LSU and would have possibly stayed, but WH was difficult to turn down. It was just bad timing for LSU. He would have been great, but IMO, he would not have had the same success and it was not because he was thinking about the NFL, he is the most focused man alive, it was because they are not the same.
Dr. Witt and Coach Moore had replaced an arrogant and incompetent pair in Sorenson and Bockrath. They had the wisdom and determination to remedy Bama's football dilemma. Boosters' skittishness almost sabotaged the hire by jumping towards RR when Saban demanded time. RR said "when it came down to it, I did not feel like I was the one they really wanted." He was right and Bama dodged a bullet. That was all it took.
Saban loved it at LSU and would have possibly stayed, but WH was difficult to turn down. It was just bad timing for LSU. He would have been great, but IMO, he would not have had the same success and it was not because he was thinking about the NFL, he is the most focused man alive, it was because they are not the same.
Dr. Witt and Coach Moore had replaced an arrogant and incompetent pair in Sorenson and Bockrath. They had the wisdom and determination to remedy Bama's football dilemma. Boosters' skittishness almost sabotaged the hire by jumping towards RR when Saban demanded time. RR said "when it came down to it, I did not feel like I was the one they really wanted." He was right and Bama dodged a bullet. That was all it took.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 4:32 pm to Irons Puppet
In 2007, Georgia, Arkansas and Auburn all finished in the top25. Georgia was ranked above Tennessee, so again I don't know what the frick you are talking about.
The SEC was strong enough that it got a 2 loss team in the BCSNCG.
But I notice you only talk about 1 side. Let's hear you talk about the SEC now and show me more teams and a better league.
The SEC was strong enough that it got a 2 loss team in the BCSNCG.
But I notice you only talk about 1 side. Let's hear you talk about the SEC now and show me more teams and a better league.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 4:38 pm to 3down10
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In 2007, Georgia, Arkansas and Auburn all finished in the top25. Georgia was ranked above Tennessee, so again I don't know what the frick you are talking about.
The beginning of the end for some of the major programs. Look at 2008 to see what I mean. When the likes of Ole Miss and Arkansas were in the upper 1/3 of the Conference, that is all you need to know.
The league is strongest when the Big 6 are relevant, that wasn't the case in 2007-2008. The slide had started.
I do not talk about the SEC now being much better, but the potential is there for improvement, with new coaches, and better facilities.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 4:40 pm to Irons Puppet
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Ole Miss actually finished second in the SECW that year with a 9-4 record.
And beat the 11-1 Big12 co-champ by 2 scores but no big deal
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