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re: Would Saban have the same success at other SEC schools?
Posted on 7/4/18 at 4:42 pm to Irons Puppet
Posted on 7/4/18 at 4:42 pm to Irons Puppet
Arkansas was a top10 team after 2007. The other teams didn't bow down to them, they were actually decent.
And how did the slide start right before the SEC's most dominate years?
And how did the slide start right before the SEC's most dominate years?
This post was edited on 7/4/18 at 4:45 pm
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Posted on 7/4/18 at 4:47 pm to Irons Puppet
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Irons Puppet
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Freeze was pretty successful against Saban. AU has won a NC and played for another in that timeframe. Even Gus is 2-3 against him.
A few games is no real indication of anything. One or two games means almost nothing. Bill Curry was 3-0 vs Joe Paterno, Mike DuBose was 2-1 vs Steve Spurrier.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 4:48 pm to 3down10
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Arkansas was a top10 team after 2007. The other teams didn't bow down to them, they were actually decent.
They were 8-5, which made the upper half. Their later success was at the expense of UT, LSU and AU.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 4:51 pm to OKTGR580
Yes
Posted on 7/4/18 at 4:51 pm to tattoo
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One or two games means almost nothing.
Two NC appearances is not one or two games. Again, during Saban's and Alabama's most successful run, Gus is one game below .500 against them. That is with a game he lost when his Offense gain 630 yards.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 5:00 pm to OKTGR580
The vols? close to it maybe. The other two, no.
Alabama has had this success because they committed to total war with saban and absolutely and completely got out of his way.
I don't believe any other program in the country would've given him the control he has at alabama.
Alabama has had this success because they committed to total war with saban and absolutely and completely got out of his way.
I don't believe any other program in the country would've given him the control he has at alabama.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 5:26 pm to OKTGR580
You're delusional if you don't think Saban would have at least four titles if he would have stayed at LSU. Maybe six.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 5:32 pm to Irons Puppet
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Irons Puppet
I'm not talking about the NC game appearance - that's an indication of a great season. I'm talking about 2 or 3 individual games. As I said Mike DuBose won 2 out of 3 vs Spurrier at UF. What does that mean - nothing. Luck, unusaul cirumstances, etc. has a great effect on a small sample. 8-10 years OK, that may be an indication of the merits of 2 coaches or programs. Bama is 6-2 vs USC and 3-1 vs OSU, does that mean Bama is a far superior program than either - no, it's not. Bama is 1-3 vs BC - what does that mean ?
Posted on 7/4/18 at 5:34 pm to OKTGR580
I don't believe Saban would have stayed anywhere else as long as he has at Bama ... whether he was winning, or not. As evidenced by his short time at LSU.
Had he stayed at LSU I believe LSU would be where Bama is today ... but he didn't, so we should ask why?
What has made him stay at Bama?
Had he stayed at LSU I believe LSU would be where Bama is today ... but he didn't, so we should ask why?
What has made him stay at Bama?
Posted on 7/4/18 at 5:36 pm to OKTGR580
He would have the same success or atleast similar at UF , Auburn Georgia and maybe Tennessee. He would have Arkansas and USCe at the level that Spurier and Petrino got them .
Posted on 7/4/18 at 5:46 pm to topcat88
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You're delusional if you don't think Saban would have at least four titles if he would have stayed at LSU.
Yeah, maybe 4 in his 18 years. He had one in his first 5, and lost at least 3 games in his other 4 seasons, including his last. But that's not 5 in 9. He's only lost 3 or more games twice in 11 years at Bama. He's only lost 2 games or more 4 times. He hasn't lost more than 1 reg season game but once in his last 10 seasons. He did that 4 out of 5 years at LSU.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 5:55 pm to tjv305
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He would have the same success or atleast similar at UF , Auburn Georgia and maybe Tennessee
At UF - maybe. UGA was too arrogant to allow the control he wants, UT is still too dysfunctional, they're laughable. AU is not the other 2 and they would not have allowed him to discontinue their "recruiting setup" or given him other aspects of the control he wants, Why do you think they hire all of these head-scratchers as HC ? So, they can exercise control over them. As historically and currently constituted, AU will not hire an independent-minded coach. He would have never fit there.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 5:57 pm to tattoo
One day there will be an SEC storied on this whole Saban LSU Dolphins Bama fiasco.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 6:06 pm to OKTGR580
I’m not reading this entire thread....
But, Saban became the great coach that he is because he took his shot at the NFL.
He would have been extremely good at LSU.....
But it took him to realize that the NFL wasn’t for him to regain his incredible focus ......
And being at Alabama didn’t hurt! With all of the resources, support, and Dodge Chargers
But, Saban became the great coach that he is because he took his shot at the NFL.
He would have been extremely good at LSU.....
But it took him to realize that the NFL wasn’t for him to regain his incredible focus ......
And being at Alabama didn’t hurt! With all of the resources, support, and Dodge Chargers
Posted on 7/4/18 at 6:08 pm to tattoo
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I'm not talking about the NC game appearance - that's an indication of a great season. I'm talking about 2 or 3 individual games. As I said Mike DuBose won 2 out of 3 vs Spurrier at UF. What does that mean - nothing. Luck, unusaul cirumstances, etc. has a great effect on a small sample. 8-10 years OK, that may be an indication of the merits of 2 coaches or programs. Bama is 6-2 vs USC and 3-1 vs OSU, does that mean Bama is a far superior program than either - no, it's not. Bama is 1-3 vs BC - what does that mean ?
How else are you going to judge a program, the eye test ?. I have always said that Gus is worth what he is being paid mainly because in the 5 seasons he has coached at AU, he has had them in the top 4 (Playoff and BCS Polls) in late October in 3 of the 5 seasons. Only Saban can say that in the SEC.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 6:13 pm to 3down10
quote:Agree. The SEC was in the middle of winning the NC every year for many years until Auburn screwed that up. Also, Les Miles, whether anyone wants to admit it or not, would have won multiple titles at LSU if not for Saban going to Bama.
How are the coaches today any better? Most of them just got fired last year, so it's a bunch of 1st year coaches really.
The SEC when Saban came was at it's strongest, it's now at it's weakest.
Your post is bull shite.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 6:21 pm to Irons Puppet
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Irons Puppet
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How else are you going to judge a program
Time.
Yeah, we all refer to records even if it's only 2 years, but in reality a small sample usually provides an unreliable barometer of the merits of 2 individuals or orgs. It simply takes time, for which no one want to wait. This is not a shot at you - everyone does it. And as you say what else can we refer to ? But really the jury is still out. But Gus is a good coach, IMO, not any doubt about that.
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Posted on 7/4/18 at 6:31 pm to Fishhead
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Les Miles, whether anyone wants to admit it or not, would have won multiple titles at LSU if not for Saban going to Bama.
He would have won at least one more. He’s be the equivalent of Bowden at FSU. Just a long tenured coach. Not amazing but very consistent. Man I wish we kept him.
Posted on 7/4/18 at 6:34 pm to 3down10
Yes
LSU
Tennessee
Georgia
Auburn
Florida
Texas A & M
No
Vandy
Mizzou
Miss. State
Kentucky
Maybe
SC
Arkansas
Ole MIss
LSU
Tennessee
Georgia
Auburn
Florida
Texas A & M
No
Vandy
Mizzou
Miss. State
Kentucky
Maybe
SC
Arkansas
Ole MIss
Posted on 7/4/18 at 6:47 pm to Fishhead
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Agree. The SEC was in the middle of winning the NC every year for many years until Auburn screwed that up. Also, Les Miles, whether anyone wants to admit it or not, would have won multiple titles at LSU if not for Saban going to Bama.
Remember LSU was the first SEC to lose a BCS Championship Game. Les was lucky to have the one he got. I talk about Mulligans for Bama, but at least theirs was with just one loss.
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