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Posted on 2/7/18 at 10:36 pm to Dawgsontop34
Posted on 2/7/18 at 10:36 pm to Dawgsontop34
Sorry. I didn't see a thread asking if Bama's recruiting success over a 6-7 year period could be attributed more to Kirby than Saban.
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Posted on 2/7/18 at 10:37 pm to Dick Leverage
quote:hyperbole, especially for now. First we have to see how they turn out. Secondly, even on paper, this is not likely a very high class all time.
Kirby just finished with one of the greatest all time classes.
Posted on 2/7/18 at 10:37 pm to Dick Leverage
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Okay. I never said it wasn't. I did say that this years UGA class was ONE of the best ever. Not the best. Do you not think Kirby was recruiting any of these Freshmen when they were sophomores and juniors in HS? He probably had more to do with it than "very little."
You said that Kirby left and the streak of #1 classes ended. It didn't. Alabama signed the #1 class last year with Kirby gone. That was the point, not comparing Alabama 2017 to Georgia 2018.
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Do you not think Kirby was recruiting any of these Freshmen when they were sophomores and juniors in HS? He probably had more to do with it than "very little."
I think he was, which is why I didn't say Kirby had NOTHING to do with it. He surely laid some ground work for a few of them. He was also an assistant, meaning he was only involved with at most 10-20% of a class. Kirby had been gone for the tail end of the 2016 class and all of the 2017 class season, recruiting against Alabama on a lot of those kids. So he was involved with the initial legwork on maybe 10% of the class 14 months in advance?
So no, I'm not going to give him a ton of credit for that class.
This post was edited on 2/7/18 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 2/7/18 at 10:40 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Okay. I concede that.
Posted on 2/7/18 at 10:41 pm to airfernando
I think I read it was ranked the 3rd of all time even with less signees than the two ranked ahead. On paper.
Posted on 2/7/18 at 10:42 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Also, the reason for the great success of Saban's recruiting apparatus is/was.........
- Kirby Smart
- Lance Thompson
- Curt Cignetti
- Bo Davis
- Jeremy Pruitt
- Sal Sunseri
- Billy Napier
- Mike Groh
- Mario Cristobal
- Lane Kiffin
- Tosh Lupoi
- Derrick Ansley
- Mike Locksley
Saban is great but he hires great assistants. Kirby was certainly one of them (and learned that he needed to do the same, which he did). That's why he signed kids the way he did/does.
- Kirby Smart
- Lance Thompson
- Curt Cignetti
- Bo Davis
- Jeremy Pruitt
- Sal Sunseri
- Billy Napier
- Mike Groh
- Mario Cristobal
- Lane Kiffin
- Tosh Lupoi
- Derrick Ansley
- Mike Locksley
Saban is great but he hires great assistants. Kirby was certainly one of them (and learned that he needed to do the same, which he did). That's why he signed kids the way he did/does.
Posted on 2/7/18 at 10:46 pm to airfernando
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hyperbole, especially for now. First we have to see how they turn out. Secondly, even on paper, this is not likely a very high class all time.
Admittedly, this thread should have been shot in the barn before someone hit submit...
BUT...
This is just stupid:
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Secondly, even on paper, this is not likely a very high class all time.
It's the third highest rated class of all time with fewer total signees... 7 composite 5*s, 8 from Rivals alone, and 10 in total rated as a 5* by at least one service.
None of that speaks to what they will do on the field yet, but GTFOH with the "not likely a very high class on paper.
Posted on 2/7/18 at 10:47 pm to SummerOfGeorge
How on earth did you let yourself get pulled into this abortion of a thread? 
Posted on 2/7/18 at 10:47 pm to Dick Leverage
Kirby is great and damn sue helped load Bamas roster for years. I personally think Bama’s 2017 class was the best in the Saban era, and Kirby was coaching at UGA when Bama inked that class.
Congrats on a super class.
Congrats on a super class.
Posted on 2/7/18 at 10:49 pm to fibonaccisquared
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How on earth did you let yourself get pulled into this abortion of a thread?
Gawd I've been bad at this lately. I need some self control.
Posted on 2/7/18 at 10:49 pm to fibonaccisquared
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It's the third highest rated class of all time with fewer total signees... 7 composite 5*s, 8 from Rivals alone, and 10 in total rated as a 5* by at least one service.
Yea, it's an insane, all-time, incredible class.
Posted on 2/7/18 at 10:58 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Gawd I've been bad at this lately. I need some self control.
Posted on 2/7/18 at 11:00 pm to fibonaccisquared
Dude, I hav'nt commented on the stupid shite you post on here and the Georgia board but have thought you were a try hard for a long time. You get ginned up on trying to be the popular guy on a message board. LOL.
"How on earth did you let yourself get pulled into this abortion of a thread?"
That right ^ . You need to clique up with somebody like the 2 of you are above this kind of discussion. Man you really need to quit trying so hard to be cool on a message board. Nobody really gives a shite about you on here.
"How on earth did you let yourself get pulled into this abortion of a thread?"
That right ^ . You need to clique up with somebody like the 2 of you are above this kind of discussion. Man you really need to quit trying so hard to be cool on a message board. Nobody really gives a shite about you on here.
Posted on 2/7/18 at 11:02 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Yea, it's an insane, all-time, incredible class.
A lot of people want to try and discredit it somehow as having been easy because of all the in-state Georgia talent, but I thought the 247 piece below did a pretty good job of laying out how scrappy the class actually ended up being. (Keep in mind there were fans back May legitimately wondering if we would fill the class at all, let alone with the talent we ended up with. At one point we had a Kicker and one other player committed in the April/May time frame I believe.
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Alabama’s streak is over.
And it’s fitting that Kirby Smart’s Georgia Bulldogs are the first new face at the top of recruiting heap since 2010, which was the last time Alabama didn't finish with the No. 1 class. After all, Smart's building a program Saban would approve of in Athens and was thisclose to knocking off the Tide in January's national championship.
The Bulldogs secured the top spot in the 247Sports Composite Team Recruiting Rankings on Signing Day by landing five-star cornerback Tyson Campbell, moving them past Ohio State, who began the day at No. 1 and had a nice haul themselves, including No. 1 offensive tackle Nicholas Petit-Frere.
But it wasn’t enough for the Buckeyes to hold off Georgia. In addition to Campbell, the Bulldogs flipped five-star linebacker Quay Walker from Alabama and four-star linebacker Otis Reese from Michigan, giving them 322.39 points. Ohio State is mathematically out of the equation barring an unforseen recruitment.
Texas, Penn State and Miami round out the top 5. Alabama currently has the No. 6 class. The last time the Tide weren't No. 1 was 2010, when it finished fourth.
When you look up and down this Bulldogs class, it’s full of recruiting battles that the second-year staff had to rally for to win.
Not including the Signing Day flips, other comeback stories included ...
Five-star quarterback Justin Fields was a one-time Penn State commit. Five-star running back Zamir White was a Clemson lean, so was five-star offensive tackle Cade Mays who before that was committed to local Tennessee, where his father played. Georgia also bested Dabo Swinney and the Tigers for the country’s No. 1 offensive guard Jamaree Salyer, who favored Clemson heading into his senior year.
Five-star defensive end Adam Anderson originally committed to LSU (edit: incorrect - originally Georgia, but was committed to LSU for a time), five-star running back James Cook was a Seminole where his older brother Dalvin starred, five-star defensive end Brenton Cox had been a long-time verbal to Ohio State before electing to stay in-state late and perhaps the sweetest flip of all was signing Nadab Josephduring the Early Signing Period under everyone’s nose when he was an Alabama commit.
There simply weren’t many easy wins for Georgia as they pluck Top247 linebacker Channing Tindall right out of Columbia, South Carolina. Tight end Luke Ford is a former Arkansas pledge that had Alabama as his leader after that. Divaad Wilson decommitted from Florida in November before putting pen to paper in the Early Signing Period. They had to work to beat Auburn for another in-state offensive lineman in Trey Hill.
Georgia running backs coach Dell McGee sits atop the 247Sports Recruiter Rankings and offensive line coach Sam Pittman sits at No. 4.
At the end of the day, still a lot of work to be done, but one thing is for sure... Kirby is making sure we have the horses to go to the mat with Saban...
Posted on 2/7/18 at 11:02 pm to athens-ga
Face it. Saban is a genius but he has the personality of a doorknob. He is uncomfortable in social situations - can't you just imagine him in a recruits living room chatting up grandma and Aunt Tilly - and is prickly and defensive with the media. He seems to be totally one dimensional. Kirby was a very attentive student. For years he learned from Saban and he, unlike Saban, seems human and approachable. The age thing helps too. Recruits relate better to a man closer to their own age. Saban works non stop but Kirby does too. He has brought his own version of the Process to Georgia and the results are impressive. As long as Saban is at Bama they will be a challenge, but I like Georgia's chances. There seems to be a power shift happening and try as they will to deny it, I think Bama feels it. They are losing recruiting battles not only to UGA but other programs that didn't stand a chance against then a short time ago. They were beaten by their most hated rival and were manhandled for much of the NC game. Bama isn't Bama anymore. The dynasty is definitely is danger of coming to an abrupt end.
This post was edited on 2/7/18 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 2/7/18 at 11:03 pm to SaturdayNAthens
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Face it. Saban is a genius but he has the personality of a doorknob. He is uncomfortable in social situations - can't you just imagine him in a recruits living room chatting grandma and Aunt Tilly up-. and is prickly and defensive with the media. He seems to be totally one dimensional. Kirby was a very attentive student. For years he learned from Saban and he, unlike Saban, seems human and approachable. The age thing helps too. Recruits relate better to a man closer to their own age. Saban works non stop but Kirby does too. He has brought his own version of the Process to Georgia and the results are impressive. As long as Saban is at Bama they will be a challenge, but I like Georgia's chances. There seems to be a power shift happening and try as they will to deny it, I think Bama feels it. They are losing recruiting battles not only to UGA but other programs that didn't stand a chance against then a short time ago. They were beaten by their most hated rival and were manhandled for much of the NC game. Bama isn't Bama anymore. The dynasty is definitely is danger of coming to an abrupt end.
Yea, this has to be an alt.
Posted on 2/7/18 at 11:06 pm to SummerOfGeorge
It's what is happening.
Posted on 2/7/18 at 11:06 pm to Dick Leverage
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Maybe....just maybe....all of those Bama #1 classes had a tad more to do with Kirby than with Saban?
I haven't read all of the responses above, but Alabama signed a higher rated class than this year's Georgia one last year.
You know, when Kirby wasn't on the staff.
This post was edited on 2/7/18 at 11:09 pm
Posted on 2/7/18 at 11:07 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Yea, this has to be an alt.
We'll find out soon. RA sent.
Posted on 2/7/18 at 11:08 pm to SaturdayNAthens
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It's what is happening.
Nobody is nervous. We won the national title game with a bunch of true freshmen all over the field. We're as well set up for the next few years as we have been set up in years. We have young, proven players at almost every level of both the offense and defense. And the 1 area we didn't, Cornerback, we signed the #1 player in the country and the #1 JuCo.
We're good, thanks.
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