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re: Why has the dissolution of SEC divisions not been publicly discussed at a serious level?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:19 am to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:19 am to SummerOfGeorge
First I completely agree we should do away with divisions..
First, the B12 didn’t get a waiver; they changed the rule.
Now they just need to change the round robin portion; and just make it so you have to play 9 conf games or 8 with divisions.
I think the tiebreakers should be..
record
Head to head
CFP rankings...
That way you are basically guaranteed your winner advances to the playoff.
It really can be that simple.
First, the B12 didn’t get a waiver; they changed the rule.
Now they just need to change the round robin portion; and just make it so you have to play 9 conf games or 8 with divisions.
I think the tiebreakers should be..
record
Head to head
CFP rankings...
That way you are basically guaranteed your winner advances to the playoff.
It really can be that simple.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:21 am to SummerOfGeorge
Go back to 12 teams and schedule as we did pre-2003.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:25 am to 3rddownonthe8
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record
What?The teams are already so wouldn't their record be the same?
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CFP rankings...
Freak that.It should never be involved in any conference tie breaker.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:27 am to SummerOfGeorge
The best way to improve the schedules is:
- 5 permanent opponents
- 4 non-permanent opponents
- At least 1 Non-Conference Power 5 team
If 9 game conference schedule is not possible then I agree with the similar proposal of:
- 3 permanent opponents
- 5 non-permanent opponents
- At least TWO Non-Conference Power 5 opponents.
I just prefer the first proposal because I think there are more than 3 teams in the conference that I would like to play every year. I would imagine most teams have more than 3 schools they like to play annually... Regardless, 2 things should be clear:
1) There is no reason why an SEC team should have 3 garbage games on the schedule
2) There is no reason why a 4yr athlete shouldn't have the opportunity to play every other team on the road and at home.
- 5 permanent opponents
- 4 non-permanent opponents
- At least 1 Non-Conference Power 5 team
If 9 game conference schedule is not possible then I agree with the similar proposal of:
- 3 permanent opponents
- 5 non-permanent opponents
- At least TWO Non-Conference Power 5 opponents.
I just prefer the first proposal because I think there are more than 3 teams in the conference that I would like to play every year. I would imagine most teams have more than 3 schools they like to play annually... Regardless, 2 things should be clear:
1) There is no reason why an SEC team should have 3 garbage games on the schedule
2) There is no reason why a 4yr athlete shouldn't have the opportunity to play every other team on the road and at home.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 9:37 am
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:28 am to GatorOnAnIsland
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Go back to 12 teams and schedule as we did pre-2003.
SEC made millions by going to 14 teams and it violates our current TV agreements.No thanks,TV money enables the SEC to compete with every conference in the country.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 9:29 am
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:36 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I'd much prefer using the computers
No thanks.
I can promise you the most abstract scenerio you can think of will evolve and you'll have pissed off AD's,coaches and presidents banging the drum for change.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:48 am to RD Dawg
So in this season you'd have
Alabama @ Auburn
Alabama @ Georgia
Auburn @ LSU
Texas A&M @ Auburn
Georgia @ Florida
Georgia @ Auburn
LSU @ Texas A&M
Florida @ Texas A&M
- Alabama plays Auburn, Georgia, LSU
- Auburn plays Georgia, Alabama, Texas A&M, LSU
- Florida plays Georgia, LSU, Texas A&M
- Georgia plays Florida, Auburn, Alabama, Texas A&M
- LSU plays Texas A&M, Alabama, Florida, Auburn
- Texas A&M plays LSU, Georgia, Auburn, Florida
- Auburn/Georgia happens every year
- Alabama/Tennessee happens every year
- In-state rivalries (UA/AU, OM/MSU, VU/TN) happen every year
- no 9th game, freeing the East teams with ACC rivals up to still be free to schedule 1-2 more H/H
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 9:56 am
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:52 am to SummerOfGeorge
I don't think a 2/6 option would ever happen because then it becomes more difficult to determine which team repeats 2 years in a row... This is why I think a 3/5 or 5/4 options are the only possibilities.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 9:53 am to GeauxPack81
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I don't think a 2/6 option would ever happen because then it becomes more difficult to determine which team repeats 2 years in a row... This is why I think a 3/5 or 5/4 options are the only possibilities.
Yea, you'd basically have to do what they do now which is not have a repeat year. You'd just have a different slate every year in terms of random games.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:19 am to SummerOfGeorge
Without divisions, you would have to play 13 SEC games a year to ensure a Round Robin; otherwise, as previously stated, you run the chance of two teams with identical records that haven't played each other.
Imagine Team A goes 9-0 in conference.
Team B and Team C go 8-1, but neither played each other. Heck, for this, we'll just say they both lost to Team A.
How on earth do you determine who plays in the CG?
Because if your solution is "No Championship Game", then what happens if you have two 9-0 teams? Who wins the SEC?
Split championships were fine back when the real prize was the Sugar Bowl; the national title was entirely independent of that. Now? Plus you think the SEC is going to ditch the cash cow that is the Championship Game?
In your scenario, you're talking about playing a 13-game conference schedule. Then the CG, plus 2 play off games, and that's 16 games to run the table (1 more than currently). No OOC games at all.
Imagine Team A goes 9-0 in conference.
Team B and Team C go 8-1, but neither played each other. Heck, for this, we'll just say they both lost to Team A.
How on earth do you determine who plays in the CG?
Because if your solution is "No Championship Game", then what happens if you have two 9-0 teams? Who wins the SEC?
Split championships were fine back when the real prize was the Sugar Bowl; the national title was entirely independent of that. Now? Plus you think the SEC is going to ditch the cash cow that is the Championship Game?
In your scenario, you're talking about playing a 13-game conference schedule. Then the CG, plus 2 play off games, and that's 16 games to run the table (1 more than currently). No OOC games at all.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:30 am to skrayper
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Without divisions, you would have to play 13 SEC games a year to ensure a Round Robin; otherwise, as previously stated, you run the chance of two teams with identical records that haven't played each other.
Imagine Team A goes 9-0 in conference.
Team B and Team C go 8-1, but neither played each other. Heck, for this, we'll just say they both lost to Team A.
How on earth do you determine who plays in the CG?
The odds of that are insanely slim to non given this :
So in this season you'd have
Alabama @ Auburn
Alabama @ Georgia
Auburn @ LSU
Texas A&M @ Auburn
Georgia @ Florida
Georgia @ Auburn
LSU @ Texas A&M
Florida @ Texas A&M
- Alabama plays Auburn, Georgia, LSU
- Auburn plays Georgia, Alabama, Texas A&M, LSU
- Florida plays Georgia, LSU, Texas A&M
- Georgia plays Florida, Auburn, Alabama, Texas A&M
- LSU plays Texas A&M, Alabama, Florida, Auburn
- Texas A&M plays LSU, Georgia, Auburn, Florida
If two teams go 7-1 and don't play eachother then you'd just work your way down the tiebreaker line.
And, as someone said above, a lot of teams would probably secretly be just fine going 11-1 with their only loss to the (presumably) #1 team, because they'd be in very good shape to make a playoff.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 10:33 am
Posted on 10/1/19 at 10:34 am to SummerOfGeorge
Since this is really about trying to give an SECW team a chance to play Alabama in the SECCG, the Roommate Switch idea of rotating divisions would be the best way to mix it up.
I also think it would generate more interest in the league, truthfully.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:05 am to SummerOfGeorge
You know where I stand on this issue...
Roommate Switch
Forgoing their specific team alignments, but the concept is sufficient to get 3 permanents (or 5 if moving to 9 game schedule) and rotate the rest to 1) better balance the SEC schedules 2) give teams the opportunity to have actual meaningful game history with every team in the league and 3) it gives STUDENT ATHLETES the opportunity to play home and away with every team in the league over a 4 year span (if they travel/play that long with the team). Because it *does* offer a true round robin for the divisions (that just change on even/odd years) it forgoes the issues/concerns around tie breakers as well.
Roommate Switch
Forgoing their specific team alignments, but the concept is sufficient to get 3 permanents (or 5 if moving to 9 game schedule) and rotate the rest to 1) better balance the SEC schedules 2) give teams the opportunity to have actual meaningful game history with every team in the league and 3) it gives STUDENT ATHLETES the opportunity to play home and away with every team in the league over a 4 year span (if they travel/play that long with the team). Because it *does* offer a true round robin for the divisions (that just change on even/odd years) it forgoes the issues/concerns around tie breakers as well.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:07 am to fibonaccisquared
It's so beautiful
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:15 am to SummerOfGeorge
It is definitively the best proposed solution to fixing the disaster that is SEC scheduling post expansion.
You can argue with team pairings, but it avoids issues with NCAA rules changing, it maintains round robins in divisions, it gives us a fricking chance to actually visit road stadiums more than once a decade or so...
To answer your original question, frankly, I just don't think there has been enough pressure to do anything different.
I love the 8 game SEC version of it, because it still leaves all teams open to scheduling unique OOC games... if we had to move to 9 games, so be it... I just don't think it's necessary or beneficial to the league to do so...
This scheduling approach is actually innovative and frankly if you coupled it with a requirement that the SEC teams schedule 2 P5 OOC opponents (with waivers/exceptions process in years where it just isn't possible for certain teams), you would shut up any discussion/narrative criticizing SEC scheduling... OOC strength would be fine, intra-conference scheduling would be superior to every other league... and we don't sacrifice TV inventory by moving to 9 conference games.
You can argue with team pairings, but it avoids issues with NCAA rules changing, it maintains round robins in divisions, it gives us a fricking chance to actually visit road stadiums more than once a decade or so...
To answer your original question, frankly, I just don't think there has been enough pressure to do anything different.
I love the 8 game SEC version of it, because it still leaves all teams open to scheduling unique OOC games... if we had to move to 9 games, so be it... I just don't think it's necessary or beneficial to the league to do so...
This scheduling approach is actually innovative and frankly if you coupled it with a requirement that the SEC teams schedule 2 P5 OOC opponents (with waivers/exceptions process in years where it just isn't possible for certain teams), you would shut up any discussion/narrative criticizing SEC scheduling... OOC strength would be fine, intra-conference scheduling would be superior to every other league... and we don't sacrifice TV inventory by moving to 9 conference games.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:16 am to fibonaccisquared
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This scheduling approach is actually innovative and frankly if you coupled it with a requirement that the SEC teams schedule 2 P5 OOC opponents (with waivers/exceptions process in years where it just isn't possible for certain teams), you would shut up any discussion/narrative criticizing SEC scheduling... OOC strength would be fine, intra-conference scheduling would be superior to every other league... and we don't sacrifice TV inventory by moving to 9 conference games.
Yea.......it's pretty good.
A little TOO good amirite?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:18 am to SummerOfGeorge
You really think ADs and the SEC office want to put the work in required to make all these changes. I don't.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:18 am to SummerOfGeorge
Save us from Bama, pretty please
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:18 am to SummerOfGeorge
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A little TOO good amirite?
Yeah... Unless there is some serious pressure from tv pundits, talking heads, and national perception, I just think the league is satisfied to operate the way we are... Until there is some kind of actual penalty held against us for our current scheduling approach, it seems like they treat it as white noise.
If it were me, I'd look at the next round of negotiations with ESPN/CBS/etc on TV contracts as an opportunity to possibly shake things up dramatically with the scheduling and use that as a bargaining chip/leverage for more cash...
Posted on 10/1/19 at 11:19 am to SummerOfGeorge
Keep the divisions just do away with all the permanent cross divisional games and rotate them out. That’s the only way to do it. Also I’m open to swapping out auburn and mizzou.
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