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re: Why has the dissolution of SEC divisions not been publicly discussed at a serious level?
Posted on 10/2/19 at 8:09 am to Dawgfanman
Posted on 10/2/19 at 8:09 am to Dawgfanman
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Because you either have to play a round robin of entire conference or have divisions that do so in order to hold a conference championship game under current NCAA rules.
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Posted on 10/2/19 at 8:11 am to fibonaccisquared
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presumably "gas" was intended to be an abbreviation for "gives a shite"...
Yea, I got that, I was just confused as to why that response would be made. Nobody was implying anyone gave a shite.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 8:23 am to dcbl
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Alabama - Auburn, Tennessee, MSU
Auburn - Alabama, Georgia, Florida
Wow, we would NEVER hear the end of this.
At least Tennessee was a power for a long time. MSU, OTOH, is rarely a contender. I get why you're saying it though (distance to campus), but even then - when the team you share a state with has Alabama, Georgia and Florida each year? Holy frick.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 8:59 am to CBandits82
link?
Posted on 10/2/19 at 10:35 am to SummerOfGeorge
Ask and ye shall receive: Andy Staples article from the Athletic
Posted on 10/2/19 at 11:20 am to twk
Another pay site.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 11:35 am to southernboisb
Here's a taste for you:
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There is a better way. If the league insists on keeping the eight-game schedule, it is possible to keep longstanding rivalries as annual affairs while freshening up the league’s schedule. To do this, the SEC needs to ditch divisions, declare three permanent rivals for each team and rotate the remaining 10 conference members through the other five spots. This might sound fairly radical, but enough people within the league are fed up with the current state of SEC scheduling that new solutions might actually get considered instead of summarily dismissed.
How would it work? The fine folks at Banner Society presented a plausible method for every Power 5 conference except the Big 12 — which plays a full round robin and doesn’t need it — to schedule this way in a column in August. The Pac-12, which has only 12 members and plays nine conference games, probably doesn’t need it. The Big Ten might not because it plays nine conference games already, but with its divisional imbalance it could gain from the other fringe benefit of this system: a conference title game between the league’s two best teams instead of between the champions of two arbitrarily — or not-so-arbitrarily — selected divisions. The ACC, which just saw North Carolina and Wake Forest play a nonconference game because they were sick of not playing one another despite being 77 miles apart, absolutely could stand to do this.
In the Banner Society plan, Alabama would play Auburn, LSU and Tennessee every year. That makes sense. The Iron Bowl is a no-brainer. Alabama-LSU has been the best series in the conference this century. Alabama-Tennessee is the rivalry that has kept this scheduling system from changing all these years, so by all means, keep playing it. Auburn would get Alabama, Georgia and Mississippi State in this plan. Personally, I’d like to see the Auburn-Florida rivalry reinstated, but the Tigers might balk at having to play Alabama, Georgia and Florida every season. Plus, Auburn and Florida — as well as traditional rivals Auburn and Tennessee — would see one another every two years. Georgia would have to play Florida and Auburn, of course. Florida would have to play Georgia, but the other two could be dealer’s choice. The Gators and LSU seem to be sick of one another despite a fairly entertaining annual game, so both parties probably wouldn’t mind playing twice every four years. Most people my age would say Florida and Tennessee must play, but the teams only played 21 times before the creation of divisions made them annual opponents. And that rivalry hasn’t been much of one lately. Tennessee has won only once since 2005.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 12:02 pm to Bench McElroy
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permanent cross divisional opponent
get rid of these and it works out great. just rotate all teams in the conference. if alabama just HAS to play tennessee every year then switch to the east. same for auburn and georgia.
those two games are holding up progress.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 12:28 pm to Bench McElroy
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How will you determine who plays in the SEC Championship Game?
I think you can still have like 7 team Divisions. Each team has 3 permanents and rotates 5 or 6 teams. Similar to what SEC Basketball has done, although I know everyone in the leagues plays everyone else. The winner of the division is still the Division Champ and goes to Atlanta. It two teams in the same Division are tied and did not play each other, then go to some other agreed upon tie breaker. If both teams played the Eastern Division winner, one of them won, 1 lost, the winner goes. Are find record against opponents from the other division, etc.
The NFL has AFC and NFC, the Divisions play their division and 1 Division from the same Conference and 1 from the other Conference, then play the teams in the other 2 divisions from the same conference that had the same finish the previous year. So this year, the Saints play all the 1st place teams from the NFC along with playing the NFC West.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 12:33 pm to twk
Won't fly due to posts about it presented in this thread.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 12:36 pm to monsterballads
I already said that Aub. would have to go east & Tn. west.
BUT, by doing that, Aub. has ended the IB (if no perm c-d games)!
*ROTFLMAO*
BUT, by doing that, Aub. has ended the IB (if no perm c-d games)!
*ROTFLMAO*
Posted on 10/2/19 at 12:38 pm to JKChesterton
& basketball plays more than 12 games/season.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 12:48 pm to southernboisb
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Won't fly due to posts about it presented in this thread.
I disagree, the SEC goes to the NCAA and says here is how we are going to change our scheduling, keep divisions with each team having a 3 or 4 team POD and still have an SEC Championship game. The NCAA is about to become obsolete, this pay for image thing is just the start. Once it passes, you think big schools are going to let schools like ULL or ULM tell LSU what to do, or Georgia Southern or Georgia State tell UGA what to do or Troy or South Alabama tell Bama or Auburn what to do.
Whether you, me or anyone else on this board likes it or not, College sports as we know it is done, and given the amount of money that coaches, Administrators, and business people make off of college sports, the players should be able to profit off the sales for example when UGA puts Jake Fromm on the game program, or LSU puts Grant Delpit or Bama puts their 3 top WR's on the cover, etc.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 12:54 pm to JKChesterton
& the NCAA REQUIRES divisions for 10+ team conferences.
Also, for a cg, you have to play divisions OR a full conf. round-Robin.
Which this 3 perm setup doesn't have same schedules.
Also, for a cg, you have to play divisions OR a full conf. round-Robin.
Which this 3 perm setup doesn't have same schedules.
This post was edited on 10/2/19 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 10/2/19 at 1:03 pm to southernboisb
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the NCAA REQUIRES divisions for 10+ team conferences.
Also, for a ch, you have to play divisions OR a full conf. round-Robin.
Which this 3 perm setup doesn't have same schedules.
I agree that is the rule, but the round robin rule was an amendment that was passed in 2016 to get around leagues that did not have 12 team, 6 team division, leagues. The SEC could get and amendment passed to accommodate a POD system and still have the SEC Championship game. If the SEC voted to allow the Big 12 to have a title game with the 9 team round robin format and top 2 teams playing for the league title, I would think other leagues could see the benefit of the POD system.
I think something has to be done. The current format does not allow for teams to travel to other league venues on a frequent basis. I was listening to local baton Rouge sports talk and according to current LSU AD, Scott Woodward, who was Texas A&M' last year, the largest crowd at College Station last year was when UK played there because they brought down like 10K fans as they had never been to College station, and Texas A&M fans had never played UK home and UK was a really hot team last year.
This year for example, LSU brought 30K fans to Nashville as LSU had not played there since 2010. The next time LSU goes to Athens, my guess, it will be well traveled. If declining attendance is an issue, and it is, I think scheduling format could help. take a look at Auburn-Florida this Saturday, was listening to Chris Doering this morning and said the attendance for this game will likely be the best in Gainsville since the Urban era since both are unbeaten and Auburn has not been there since Tubby was coach back in 2007.
This post was edited on 10/2/19 at 1:05 pm
Posted on 10/2/19 at 1:13 pm to southernboisb
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link?
I didnt link because it was behind a paywall but go to athletic.com and you will have a couple of free articles to read.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 1:15 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Alabama's 2 would be Tennessee and Auburn
If Alabama added a 3rd it would probably be State
Every article I have read had LSU matched with Bama. So Bama's 3 team POD would by Auburn, TENN, your 2 traditional rivals and LSU. LSU would get Texas A&M and Ole Miss, both of which are LSU's closest things to historical rivals and Bama as are 3rd team in our POD.
Posted on 10/2/19 at 1:40 pm to JKChesterton
I'm still stumped the SEC added 2 teams, but basically did nothing to the schedule.
& I agree that something should be done.
With that said, going division-less isn't a logical option due to the NCAA requiring divisions & the tie-breakers needed to sort teams. The Roommate Switch, in theory, sounds okay, but it doesn't factor in yearly games (like MSU/Ala.). Removing perm. c-d games (or having 2 c-d rotations) doesn't work out. Moving Aub. East & Mizz. (or whomever) West has been shot down. Going to 9 (or more) games hurts the 4 of us with in-state ACC rivals in that we'ld only have 2 slots open for scheduling (& forces us to host them for a 7H season any year)
14 is a tough # to work with, so my thought is 4X4 team pods paired yearly. This let's you play everybody in 3 years with a full rotation in 6; & shakes up the SECCG participants. *I believe I posted that earlier on here.
& I agree that something should be done.
With that said, going division-less isn't a logical option due to the NCAA requiring divisions & the tie-breakers needed to sort teams. The Roommate Switch, in theory, sounds okay, but it doesn't factor in yearly games (like MSU/Ala.). Removing perm. c-d games (or having 2 c-d rotations) doesn't work out. Moving Aub. East & Mizz. (or whomever) West has been shot down. Going to 9 (or more) games hurts the 4 of us with in-state ACC rivals in that we'ld only have 2 slots open for scheduling (& forces us to host them for a 7H season any year)
14 is a tough # to work with, so my thought is 4X4 team pods paired yearly. This let's you play everybody in 3 years with a full rotation in 6; & shakes up the SECCG participants. *I believe I posted that earlier on here.
This post was edited on 10/2/19 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 10/2/19 at 1:42 pm to CBandits82
Posted on 10/2/19 at 2:16 pm to southernboisb
quote:The NCAA rule is not much of an obstacle. If they changed it for the Big XII, they would change it for the SEC. No one has a vested interest in blocking the rule change.
I'm still stumped the SEC added 2 teams, but basically did nothing to the schedule.
& I agree that something should be done.
With that said, going division-less isn't a logical option due to the NCAA requiring divisions & the tie-breakers needed to sort teams. The Roommate Switch, in theory, sounds okay, but it doesn't factor in yearly games (like MSU/Ala.). Removing perm. c-d games (or having 2 c-d rotations) doesn't work out. Moving Aub. East & Mizz. (or whomever West) has been shot down. Going to 9 (or more) games hurts the 4 of us with in-state ACC rivals in that we'ld only have 2 slots open for scheduling (& forces us to host them for a 7H season any year)
14 is a tough # to work with, so my thought is 4X4 team pods paired yearly. This let's you play everybody in 3 years with a full rotation in 6; & shakes up the SECCG participants. *I believe I posted that earlier on here.
The tie breaker problem is overplayed. The odds of having three undefeated teams are virtually zero (they might actually be zero, if you set the schedule up right). In such an event, the team that lost a 3 way coin flip would actually probably consider themselves lucky to be taking a perfect record into the playoff selection process, rather than risking a loss in the championship game.
As always, the first tie-breaker would be head to head, then you'd probably get down to looking at who you beat (team whose opponents have the best record, or something like that). It's not rocket science. And, so long as the playoff is selected by a committee rather than having auto berths for conference champions, it really doesn't matter as much as you might think.
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