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Why has the dissolution of SEC divisions not been publicly discussed at a serious level?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:38 am
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:38 am
What am I missing on the reasoning for anyone (AD, President, coaches, etc) to have a desire to keep divisions? I honestly just haven't seen a counter argument to it and I imagine there has to be one I just haven't heard.
It just seems like such a perfect solution to the various complaints that schools around the league have with the permanent opponent, certain teams feeling like they are more suited for the other division, ability to play more teams more often, equitable scheduling, etc. Everyone has seen the proposal of each team having a 3-4 team permanent # of opponents and it seems to fit very well for almost everyone.
The proposals have been out there for 3-4 years but I've never heard it discussed or a question asked about it to coaches/ADs/SEC Commissioner at all. Any idea why? Is it strictly the uniformity and clean cut nature of having 2 division winners play in a championship game?
It just seems like such a perfect solution to the various complaints that schools around the league have with the permanent opponent, certain teams feeling like they are more suited for the other division, ability to play more teams more often, equitable scheduling, etc. Everyone has seen the proposal of each team having a 3-4 team permanent # of opponents and it seems to fit very well for almost everyone.
The proposals have been out there for 3-4 years but I've never heard it discussed or a question asked about it to coaches/ADs/SEC Commissioner at all. Any idea why? Is it strictly the uniformity and clean cut nature of having 2 division winners play in a championship game?
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 8:40 am
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Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:41 am to SummerOfGeorge
quote:Can you imagine the tie breakers or bitching if there wasnt round robin play to decide the CG participants?
I honestly just haven't seen a counter argument to it and I imagine there has to be one I just haven't heard.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:42 am to SummerOfGeorge
Because you either have to play a round robin of entire conference or have divisions that do so in order to hold a conference championship game under current NCAA rules.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:43 am to NYCAuburn
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Can you imagine the tie breakers or bitching if there wasnt round robin play to decide the CG participants?
Would using the CFP rankings, BCS style computer rankings or some sort of record vs the top half method really be that much bigger a blow up than the 3 way tie type stuff we use now?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:43 am to Dawgfanman
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Because you either have to play a round robin of entire conference or have divisions that do so in order to hold a conference championship game under current NCAA rules.
But that isn't really an issue - if the SEC decided we wanted to do something else we could easily get the NCAA to give us a waiver.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:44 am to SummerOfGeorge
How will you determine who plays in the SEC Championship Game?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:45 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Would using the CFP rankings, BCS style computer rankings or some sort of record vs the top half method really be that much bigger a blow up than the 3 way tie type stuff we use now?
Yes. How often does the 3 way tie stuff actually come into play?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:46 am to Bench McElroy
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How will you determine who plays in the SEC Championship Game?
Conference Record, same way we do now
And in the event of a tie you have the same tie break rules we do now but after head to head you use either computer rankings (like the Big XII did) or record vs Top 7 in the league or something along those lines.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:48 am to Crowknowsbest
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Yes. How often does the 3 way tie stuff actually come into play?
Not all that often - but I think most of the time we'd have the typical participants playing eachother throughout the regular season, so you'd have a pretty good record vs opponents system to compare and contrast. Much like the NFL divisions.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 8:50 am
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:50 am to SummerOfGeorge
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And in the event of a tie you have the same tie break rules we do now but after head to head you use either computer rankings (like the Big XII did) or record vs Top 7 in the league or something along those lines.
That's a really bad idea.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:51 am to SummerOfGeorge
I'm not sure how, but every year it would be unfair to LSU in some way.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:52 am to Bench McElroy
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That's a really bad idea.
If you play 9 SEC games and 6 of them are rotating......the odds are pretty good that if there are 3 teams with the same record or 2 teams with the same record vying for the 2nd spot that they've played eachother.
As of now the SEC East and West are almost like the AL and NL in baseball - very little head to head. In this scenario you are playing 8/14 teams in the league, and the Big 6 all will have mostly Big 6 opponents as permanent rivals. So at that point the usual participants will play the other usual participants nearly 100% of the time.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 8:54 am
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:52 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Not all that often - but I think most of the time we'd have the typical participants playing eachother throughout the regular season.
Think about how the 3-4 permanent opponents would be weighted. The big programs (and likely best teams) would play each other far more often than the rest of the league would because of traditional rivalries. I could easily see a scenario where a Texas A&M or Missouri only play 1 or 2 big six teams and slides into the championship game after an Auburn or Georgia played 4 or 5 and lost 2.
This post was edited on 10/1/19 at 8:54 am
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:53 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Much like the NFL divisions.
NFL divisions at least all play each other twice.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:54 am to NYCAuburn
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Can you imagine the tie breakers or bitching if there wasnt round robin play to decide the CG participants?
This, but I just find what the Big 12 does completely silly anyway. Everyone plays each other then the champion has to beat the runner up again.
If you don't have divisions, that's what you end up with for a championship game.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:55 am to SummerOfGeorge
The way it is has flat worked....that's why?
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:55 am to Crowknowsbest
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I could easily see a scenario where a Texas A&M or Missouri only play 1 or 2 big six teams and slides into the championship game after an Auburn or Georgia played 4 or 5 and lost 2.
Not possible - you'd have 6 rotating games. You'd play everyone in the league at least 1 time over a 2 year period.
Would everything be perfect every year? No, but there would be statistically minuscule odds that you could get a 9 game schedule where you avoid 3-4 games against good teams.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:56 am to lewis and herschel
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The way it is has flat worked....that's why?
But not everyone agrees with that, especially not with 14 teams in 2019.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:56 am to SummerOfGeorge
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9 game schedule
A separate conversation that has not come close to being agreed on.
Posted on 10/1/19 at 8:57 am to Crowknowsbest
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A separate conversation that has not come close to being agreed on.
I think they'd clearly have to go hand in hand.
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