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re: Why Do Wealthy Parents Let Their Kids Sign Scholarship Papers?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:40 am to Crowknowsbest
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:40 am to Crowknowsbest
But the flip side is I assume you aren’t locked in if a coach leaves for one reason or another or if for whatever reason things don’t work out at that particular school.
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Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:43 am to Crowknowsbest
I believe preferred walk ons still receive lodging and food reimbursement to attend Fall camp. I do not know that they are restricted from any other student-athlete privilege, so long as they are a rostered player
They used to be able to come earlier and even have some summer classes paid for to facilitate early enrollment and participation in summer workouts, but I am uncertain if that is the case anymore.
They used to be able to come earlier and even have some summer classes paid for to facilitate early enrollment and participation in summer workouts, but I am uncertain if that is the case anymore.
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 7:45 am
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:44 am to Pinche Cabron
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people who ask this question have a fundamental misunderstanding about the getting and keeping of wealth. Anomalies aside, of course
And I’m talking about the anomalies, the people who have enough wealth that $300k or so over a presumed three years isn’t that big of a deal when you take into account you’re talking about the well-being and happiness of likely the only child they have who will be in such a situation.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:45 am to DingLeeBerry
More useful in baseball where there's only like 11.7 scholarships and they are split up among all 27 players on the roster. LSU benefits with in-state players that use their TOPS scholarship to pay for their tuition, so they can play as a walk-on or on a 1/3 scholly and still have a free ride. A few years ago, one of our best players and seniors that year Raph Rhymes gave up his scholarship so it can be used for another out of state player and he used his TOPS and his own money the last year. The baseball scholarship limit is silly. Why only 11.7?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:47 am to DingLeeBerry
If you're offered a scholarship in football to a school you count against the 85 limit should you choose to go there and be a part of the team. You can't put that scholarship back in the 85 limit bank for the good of the team or because you're rich.
If you refuse the scholly and pay your own way because you're rich and enjoy spending money and having fewer benefits than you would as a scholarship athlete you still count towards the 85 limit because you are considered recruited.
If you refuse the scholly and pay your own way because you're rich and enjoy spending money and having fewer benefits than you would as a scholarship athlete you still count towards the 85 limit because you are considered recruited.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:51 am to Pinche Cabron
It works the opposite of OP's scenario, in my mind.
When Fred Smith's son came out of Memphis and wanted to play QB I was screaming at MSU to offer the kid a scholly. Look at the value of that scholarship vs the value of having a life-long M- Club member with those kind of deep pockets.
When Fred Smith's son came out of Memphis and wanted to play QB I was screaming at MSU to offer the kid a scholly. Look at the value of that scholarship vs the value of having a life-long M- Club member with those kind of deep pockets.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:52 am to DingLeeBerry
quote:So basically it's ok to discriminate against people who make a certain income. As long as they are rich. Right?
And I’m talking about the anomalies, the people who have enough wealth that $300k or so over a presumed three years isn’t that big of a deal when you take into account you’re talking about the well-being and happiness of likely the only child they have who will be in such a situation.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:53 am to DingLeeBerry
If you can you always want to sign a kid with money... then you have a parent with the business acumen to funnel athletic department money into players pockets. Were you not at the meeting?
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:53 am to Henry Jones Jr
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so basically it's ok to discriminate against people who make a certain income.l
Discriminate....yeah, right.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:54 am to yatesdog38
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Were you not at the meeting?
See if he knows the handshake
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:54 am to yatesdog38
I’m looking at this from the parent/kid’s perspective, not the university’s.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:56 am to DingLeeBerry
quote:Yes.
Are walk-ons subject to the same transfer rules as scholarship players
quote:Yes.
Do walk-ons have the same restrictions in terms of earning other income as scholarship players?
Those rules relate to eligibility to play, not eligibility to be on scholarship.
quote:No, but if the 5* is considered a "recruited player" he will count against the teams total scholarship limit whether he is on scholarship or not.
Say a the wealthy parents of a 5* QB told a coach we don’t need your scholarship but we hear you only have room for 4 linemen in this class, but we’d like for you to use our son’s scholarship on a 5th to help the team and him. Are there any rules that restrict that?
This post was edited on 2/22/18 at 7:59 am
Posted on 2/22/18 at 7:58 am to mdw1969
quote:Jim Krapf did the same thing at Alabama. His father was a wealthy New England industrialist.
Major Ogilvie, back in the day at Bama, turned down scholarship and walked on to free up a scholly...His parents were loaded...
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:08 am to PearlJam
Looks like a walk-on can exercise the one time transfer rule if they weren’t recruited, assuming this info is still up to date.
Posted April 1, 2012
How does the NCAA define whether a prospect is considered a recruited athlete?
A prospect is considered a recruited athlete if the college takes one of the following actions:
If they provide the prospect with an official visit.
If they have an off-campus contact with the prospect or the prospect’s parents or legal guardians.
If they offer the prospect a National Letter of Intent or an athletic scholarship agreement.
If they initiate a telephone conversation with the prospect or his parents or legal guardians more than one time.
Ironically, a coach can have frequent e-mail conversations with a prospect but that athlete will still not be defined as a recruited athlete if the coach does not use any of the four actions above to encourage the prospect to attend the college and join their athletic program.
Posted April 1, 2012
How does the NCAA define whether a prospect is considered a recruited athlete?
A prospect is considered a recruited athlete if the college takes one of the following actions:
If they provide the prospect with an official visit.
If they have an off-campus contact with the prospect or the prospect’s parents or legal guardians.
If they offer the prospect a National Letter of Intent or an athletic scholarship agreement.
If they initiate a telephone conversation with the prospect or his parents or legal guardians more than one time.
Ironically, a coach can have frequent e-mail conversations with a prospect but that athlete will still not be defined as a recruited athlete if the coach does not use any of the four actions above to encourage the prospect to attend the college and join their athletic program.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:12 am to DingLeeBerry
To answer the thread title: the kid earned it.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:16 am to Prof
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If you are considered recruited by the NCAA the school has no choice but to offer you a scholarship
This is not true.
Regardless of the type of recruiting (visits, phone calls, texts) you either receive a scholarship then count against the 25 limit, or you don’t receive a scholarship and do not count towards the 25.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:17 am to shinerfan
I recall a USC QB, I think it was Matt Leinart, had a wealthy dad and lived in a luxury apartment off campus with several other players. The NCAA made them pay rent to Leinart instead of living with him for free. Leinart then bought several cars for himself, but let his roomies "borrow" one any time they wanted.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:17 am to DingLeeBerry
I think if the player actually plays in a game, the transfer stuff kicks in.
Not positive.
Not positive.
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:21 am to Purple Spoon
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you dont get rich by turning down a great deal. Tuition, housing, and food paid for for 4 years with a degree at the end is a great deal.
Jamie Howard paid his own way because of his 400k signing bonus from the braves...I'll have to ask him how that wroked
Posted on 2/22/18 at 8:21 am to Prof
It seems a bit unrealistic to think a person should turn down a scholarship when players are already exploited under this system.
Fans act as if these players should somehow live under different rules than everybody else.
You might as well expect the son of a well off lawyer to work as a lawyer for nothing.
Fans act as if these players should somehow live under different rules than everybody else.
You might as well expect the son of a well off lawyer to work as a lawyer for nothing.
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