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re: Why Do Most High Powered Spread Offenses Have Weak Defenses?
Posted on 10/21/13 at 4:04 pm to WDE24
Posted on 10/21/13 at 4:04 pm to WDE24
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Oregon and Baylor are both top 10 in ypp given up and ranked ahead of Bama.
That doesn't mean much if the other team already knows they're going to get more plays anyway. They may even, intentionally, try to score more slowly to:
A.) Keep the opposing offense off the field
B.) Keep the defense on the field longer, forcing them to get tired
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Posted on 10/21/13 at 4:06 pm to skrayper
both teams are top 15 nationally in PPG as well... their defenses are pretty good.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 4:06 pm to gatorhata9
it's a function of strategy
btw Oregon's D is not weak this season
btw Oregon's D is not weak this season
Posted on 10/21/13 at 4:06 pm to beaver
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Defense has to be on the field longer, more tired and whatnot
Posted on 10/21/13 at 4:09 pm to MrBiriwa
Because they put their best recruits on offense?
Look at the head coaches of each team, what is their specialty? Offense. Where do you think they are investing most of their resources?
Resources can mean coaching money, recruiting efforts, recruits themselves.....
Look at the head coaches of each team, what is their specialty? Offense. Where do you think they are investing most of their resources?
Resources can mean coaching money, recruiting efforts, recruits themselves.....
This post was edited on 10/21/13 at 4:11 pm
Posted on 10/21/13 at 4:11 pm to lowspark12
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both teams are top 15 nationally in PPG as well... their defenses are pretty good.
I'm speaking more traditionally these schools are not known for their defense. It really does seem that scoring pace has a lot to do with it.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 4:12 pm to beaver
Cause the head coaches are all offense guys who focus all their energy on offense.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 4:14 pm to gatorhata9
Score quickly and your defense ends up on the field longer. You'll see some spread teams who are deep enough to do it (not many) rotate personnel more frequently on the defensive side of the ball to offset the disadvantage. And of course there's the coaching and emphasis factors as well.
This post was edited on 10/21/13 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 10/21/13 at 4:16 pm to ZouTigers
quote:A successful coach knows he has to balance that shite out - evenly spread out the studs on offense & defense if you want to field a competitive team every year. There will be years where one unit is not as strong or dominant as the other. But an elite coaching staff knows how to evaluate talent, fill the needs on his roster, develop the talent he brings in, and give them a gameplan that suits their strengths. Easier said that done in this conference, and very few head coaches can do it consistantly.
Because they put their best recruits on offense?
Look at the head coaches of each team, what is their specialty? Offense. Where do you think they are investing most of their resources?
Resources can mean coaching money, recruiting efforts, recruits themselves.....
This post was edited on 10/21/13 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 10/21/13 at 4:19 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:Auburn/Ellis Johnson is doing an excellant job of that his year. He is subbing his defense so that he has fresh legs in the 4th qtr. It's made all the difference in AU's ability to compete in the 2nd half of their games.
Score quickly and your defense ends up on the field longer. You'll see some spread teams who are deep enough to do it (not many) rotate personnel more frequently on the defensive side of the ball to offset the disadvantage. And of course there's the coaching and emphasis factors as well.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 4:21 pm to gatorhata9
2008 Florida had some badass defense. 2013 Oregon has #12 ranked scoring defense.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 4:28 pm to gatorhata9
Interesting that we talk about talent on each side of the ball.
If you go by Rivals rankings for A&M players:
QB: RSSO starter 3*, FR backup 4*
HB: SR starter 4*, SO backup 5*
WR: RSSO starter 3*, RSFR backup 4*
WR: RSJR starter 3*, SR backup 3*
WR: SO starter 3*, SR backup walkon
TE: JR starter 3*, SR backup 3*
LT: SR starter 4*, SO backup 3*
LG: RSJR starter 2*, SR backup 4*
C: SO starter 4*, JR backup 3*
RG: RSFR starter 3*, RSJR backup 3*
RT: RSJR starter 4*, RSSO backup 4*
6 3-star starters, 4 4-star starter, 1 2-star starter
4-4 star backups, 1 5-star backup
DE: SO starter 3*, FR backup 4*
DT: SO starter 3*, RSJR backup 4*
NT: FR starter 4*, FR backup 4*
DE: RSJR starter 3*, FR backup 3*
WILL: SR starter 3*, FR backup 3*
MIKE: FR starter 3*, FR backup 3*
SAM: SR starter 4* (WR), FR backup 3*
CB: SO starter 4*, FR backup 4*
CB: SR starter 3*, FR backup 4*
FS: JR starter 3*, JR backup 4*
SS: JR starter 4*, FR backup 3*
7 3-star starters, 4 4-star starters
6 4-star backups
You could make a case that the players on defense are rated HIGHER on A&M's team than the offensive players are.
If you go by Rivals rankings for A&M players:
QB: RSSO starter 3*, FR backup 4*
HB: SR starter 4*, SO backup 5*
WR: RSSO starter 3*, RSFR backup 4*
WR: RSJR starter 3*, SR backup 3*
WR: SO starter 3*, SR backup walkon
TE: JR starter 3*, SR backup 3*
LT: SR starter 4*, SO backup 3*
LG: RSJR starter 2*, SR backup 4*
C: SO starter 4*, JR backup 3*
RG: RSFR starter 3*, RSJR backup 3*
RT: RSJR starter 4*, RSSO backup 4*
6 3-star starters, 4 4-star starter, 1 2-star starter
4-4 star backups, 1 5-star backup
DE: SO starter 3*, FR backup 4*
DT: SO starter 3*, RSJR backup 4*
NT: FR starter 4*, FR backup 4*
DE: RSJR starter 3*, FR backup 3*
WILL: SR starter 3*, FR backup 3*
MIKE: FR starter 3*, FR backup 3*
SAM: SR starter 4* (WR), FR backup 3*
CB: SO starter 4*, FR backup 4*
CB: SR starter 3*, FR backup 4*
FS: JR starter 3*, JR backup 4*
SS: JR starter 4*, FR backup 3*
7 3-star starters, 4 4-star starters
6 4-star backups
You could make a case that the players on defense are rated HIGHER on A&M's team than the offensive players are.
This post was edited on 10/21/13 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 10/21/13 at 5:56 pm to gatorhata9
quote:Don't compare us to fricking Baylor, WVU and aTm. Our defense is top 20, and you don't get to 4 fricking BCS bowls in a row with shoddy defense. Dumbfrick.
What's the disconnect here? Teams like Oregon, A&M, WVU, Baylor, etc.. typically have pretty weak and bad defenses? Is it there some inverse relationship between spread offensive minded head coaches and their defenses?
Posted on 10/21/13 at 5:57 pm to gatorhata9
Oregons defense isn't "weak"
Posted on 10/21/13 at 6:24 pm to gatorhata9
It's a quality depth problem. If your spread offense is a good on, you score quick. Defense plays alot of minutes. You need quality depth for rotating bodies. Mizzou finally hit that mark this year. They have quality depth and rotate alot during the game. Fresh bodies.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 6:29 pm to gatorhata9
Not serious I hope.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 6:31 pm to gatorhata9
It's harder to convince top flight defensive talent to come and play at traditional offensive powers.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 6:34 pm to gatorhata9
Posted on 10/21/13 at 6:43 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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It's harder to convince top flight defensive talent to come and play at traditional offensive powers.
Tell me again how that applies to A&M - a school known for its defense...who was "linebacker U" before Penn State took the mantle...who used to critically injure Heisman candidates instead of making them.
Posted on 10/21/13 at 6:48 pm to BamaFatigue
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Don't compare us to fricking Baylor, WVU and aTm.
Thorpe Award Winners:
Baylor - 1
Oregon - 0
Bednarik Award Winners:
Texas A&M - 1
Oregon - 0
Butkus Award Winners:
Texas A&M - 1
Oregon - 0
Lombardi Winners:
Texas A&M - 1
Oregon - 0
1st Team All American Defensive Players:
Texas A&M - 26
West Virginia - 11
Baylor - 5
Oregon - 2
Why would we compare Oregon to Baylor or A&M - schools who have actually had defensive players of significance in College Football?
This post was edited on 10/21/13 at 7:03 pm
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