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re: Why did Bert fail?
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:37 pm to Muleriderhog
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:37 pm to Muleriderhog
I want a live action Beavis & Butthead show starring Butch and Bert.
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Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:39 pm to cardboardboxer
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I guess you are right. That was the secret behind Gary Pinkel's Mizzou: coaching up midtier Texas talent.
Bert was kind of labeled as being one as well while at Wisconsin. Some thought he would be able to develop the average recruiting classes we typically get, you can throw that in as a reason for failure as well.
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That has to give you hope with your new coach though.
Morris appears like a good combination of style that fits better along with high recruiting potential (at least by our standards). Just getting classes inside the top 20 would be amazing.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:40 pm to mtopdawg421
have them sitting on a couch gorging on popcorn and dorritos narrating college football games with butch occasionally humping the couch?
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:42 pm to yatesdog38
That is a hilarious image in my head now lol.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:47 pm to cardboardboxer
He just wasn't a very good coach. Arkansas is 5th in the SEC in the last decade in amount of players drafted and guys like Alex Collins, Hunter Henry and Trey Flowers are making plays on Sundays but he maxed out at 7 regular season wins.
His roster management, strength and conditioning program and laid back approach just didn't work in the SEC. I read where one of the players recently said Bielema would give them a break in practice when they asked for one but Morris doesn't let them take a break until he says so. Little things like that.
His roster management, strength and conditioning program and laid back approach just didn't work in the SEC. I read where one of the players recently said Bielema would give them a break in practice when they asked for one but Morris doesn't let them take a break until he says so. Little things like that.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:50 pm to gohogs141
All this.
During conditioning players would tell him they needed a break and he would let them FFS.
During conditioning players would tell him they needed a break and he would let them FFS.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:52 pm to cardboardboxer
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Was one of those reasons why he failed, or was it something else we never saw coming?
Turns out Barry Alvarez is the man behind the curtain orchestrating all the success in Wisconsin
Bert just happened to be the puppet HC
Posted on 4/5/18 at 12:54 pm to cardboardboxer
he was too worried about talking shite rather than accomplishing shite
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:04 pm to cardboardboxer
Because fat, duh...
...oh, and SWC.
...oh, and SWC.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:07 pm to rockiee
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Bert was kind of labeled as being one as well while at Wisconsin. Some thought he would be able to develop the average recruiting classes we typically get, you can throw that in as a reason for failure as well.
Yeah in retrospect it looks more like his success at Wincy was due to the system in place there.
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Just getting classes inside the top 20 would be amazing
I hope yall do then!
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:10 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
A bunch of reasons. Recruiting. Laziness. Roster mismanagement. But the biggest to me was his staff.
His initial staff was very solid. Almost all of them turned over during his tenure. Outside of Enos, almost all the others were a downgrade.
Kurt Anderson was the death nail. The OL the past two years was just horrid. You can't base your entire philosophy on being a power football team and fail that bad on the OL.
His initial staff was very solid. Almost all of them turned over during his tenure. Outside of Enos, almost all the others were a downgrade.
Kurt Anderson was the death nail. The OL the past two years was just horrid. You can't base your entire philosophy on being a power football team and fail that bad on the OL.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:14 pm to rockiee
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rockiee
who wrote ...
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Dumb, he didn't fail because he lost to Bama. He failed because he lost to almost everyone.
Gave best answers for this thread IMO.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:16 pm to NYCAuburn
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he was too worried about talking shite rather than accomplishing shite
A lot of new SEC coaches come in and do this. It certainly doesn't help. I've never understood why they do this -- maybe to fire the boosters up, I guess. Otherwise, it's really stupid and gives your team an unnecessary target.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:24 pm to cardboardboxer
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Why did Bert fail?
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:31 pm to Muleriderhog
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had never built a program before
This is the correct answer.
At Wisconsin Bielema inherited a program built by Barry Alvarez that was a perennial 10 win team. And to Bret's credit he maintained that standard. At Arkansas he inherited a train wreck from John L Smith.
Other factors:
*Poor OL recruiting/coaching
The one year they really needed to hit a homerun in OL recruiting Sam Pittman quit which ruined the class. Then Bret made a poor replacement hire in Kurt Anderson.
*Defense got worse every year.
Which is really an indictment on Bielema considering he's a former defensive coordinator.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:36 pm to cardboardboxer
I think Barry Alvarez had a lot to do with his success at Wisconsin. Same with Gary Anderson. Successful at Wisconsin then went to Oregon State and failed miserably.
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:49 pm to cardboardboxer
Tito’s
Posted on 4/5/18 at 1:52 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
I think there were several reasons and most have been given here. When Bert arrived at Arkansas, he didn't understand how difficult it would be in the SEC. His Arkansas classes were consistently better than his Wisconsin classes, but they still weren't good enough for his offense in the SEC.
We had a good team in 2015 and it seemed like everything was falling into place. Recruiting was going well and it seemed we might finish with a better-than-usual top-20 class. Then Pittman left to join Chaney at Georgia and this was critical, because Pittman was responsible for getting the great players on the OL that Bielema's offense needed. We finished with the #23 class on 247, after losing out on 2-3 OL players Pittman may have signed, which we sorely needed to improve. After Pittman left, OL recruiting suffered and it's no secret that Bielema considers the OL his bread and butter. Everything began sliding backwards the following season.
From the moment he arrived, Bielema did a lot of strange things on offense, presumably because he didn't believe we had the OL to run his system. That never really changed. Chaney received much of the blame when he was here, but part of it was Bielema. Same with Enos. But if Pittman hadn't left, I think we would have signed a little better quality of OL players and Bielema would have been successful. I'm not sure he ever would have won the SEC, but I think Arkansas would have been one of the top teams in the SEC-W consistently. Unfortunately, Bielema had a lot of problems, so even if Pittman had stayed, I'm sure another would have reared it's ugly head.
We had a good team in 2015 and it seemed like everything was falling into place. Recruiting was going well and it seemed we might finish with a better-than-usual top-20 class. Then Pittman left to join Chaney at Georgia and this was critical, because Pittman was responsible for getting the great players on the OL that Bielema's offense needed. We finished with the #23 class on 247, after losing out on 2-3 OL players Pittman may have signed, which we sorely needed to improve. After Pittman left, OL recruiting suffered and it's no secret that Bielema considers the OL his bread and butter. Everything began sliding backwards the following season.
From the moment he arrived, Bielema did a lot of strange things on offense, presumably because he didn't believe we had the OL to run his system. That never really changed. Chaney received much of the blame when he was here, but part of it was Bielema. Same with Enos. But if Pittman hadn't left, I think we would have signed a little better quality of OL players and Bielema would have been successful. I'm not sure he ever would have won the SEC, but I think Arkansas would have been one of the top teams in the SEC-W consistently. Unfortunately, Bielema had a lot of problems, so even if Pittman had stayed, I'm sure another would have reared it's ugly head.
This post was edited on 4/5/18 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 4/5/18 at 2:15 pm to cardboardboxer
Because it’s arkansas....and not indoor track? 
Posted on 4/5/18 at 2:18 pm to PhilipMarlowe
Another good reason, got to feel terrible for any program with a losing record against them.
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