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Posted on 1/13/23 at 9:58 pm to themicah85
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If they felt it was that bad you know they could just always not play... right?
No doubt. Kids have been working their asses off for scholarship offers for a 100 years. There are 520K student athletes. 180K on scholarship. Probably 5000 getting NIL $$. To act like a $250K scholarship is slave labor is laughable
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:06 pm to Sgt Tuffnuts
IMO, giving life changing money to a teenager along with the other amenities given to a scholarship athlete is not a good recipe for success.
There should be a cap on the amount of money they receive, unless they actually work for it. Just handing kids enormous amounts of cash is not a good idea.
What’s the motivation to excel when you’re making bank being what you are now.
Hunger and striving for and earning success is a much bigger motivation than just being handed it without earning it.
I’m not blaming the kids, just the idiots paying them ridiculous amounts of money.
There should be a cap on the amount of money they receive, unless they actually work for it. Just handing kids enormous amounts of cash is not a good idea.
What’s the motivation to excel when you’re making bank being what you are now.
Hunger and striving for and earning success is a much bigger motivation than just being handed it without earning it.
I’m not blaming the kids, just the idiots paying them ridiculous amounts of money.
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:16 pm to Clark14
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Just handing kids enormous amounts of cash is not a good idea.
If I had the normal benefits of a star athlete plus $2M I woulda died of sexual exhaustion by age 20!
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:08 pm to WorkinDawg
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If I had the normal benefits of a star athlete plus $2M I woulda died of sexual exhaustion by age 20!
No joke, haha
The bad thing is these athletes have family and “friends “ following them and the chances of finding trouble increases. Even $50,000 year is too much IMO.
I’ve always loved college football and I hope I don’t grow out of love for it.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 1:41 am to Leto II
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Because most of these people were never college athletes and don't get it.
Have you ever been a regular student? If so tell me how much you owe. If not do you believe that a big schools best showing's rely on said team winning a title and they dont exist outside that? Is the reason nebraska has sold out for all these years consecutively a product of players or is it their love of nebraska?
Posted on 1/14/23 at 3:04 am to i am dan
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I don't like all the money in entertainment period. Sports, movies, tv. I think there are much more important professions that take just as much effort and expertise.
Thank you for making a point most miss in the discussion.
It is the "Guns vs Butter" debate and gets to the root of the discussion. In my younger days the backbone of where this country went was based on allocation of resources (in this case money) as the resource IS FINITE. If you spend 10 BILLION a year on "entertainment" you can not spend 10 BILLION on "knowledge".
I had a friend who did business in China for most of their life (their Asian partner was in Hong Kong) who observed that the USA has won the "entertainment" part of the global market, but has lost the "construction" part of the global market. Rome was a power in commerce and trade because they had the best roads in the world at the time, not because they had gladiators entertaining the masses.
Think about that fore a second ...
Roman Roads build an empire
Roman Entertaimnet destroyed an empire
It is not that you are paying a kid 13 million to entertain a part of our populace, it is that you are not spending that 13 million to educate lots of US citizens to build our future.
This post was edited on 1/14/23 at 3:43 am
Posted on 1/14/23 at 4:39 am to qman91
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ly racist people thinks about race at any moment when someone brings up players getting paid, so you shove your race card up your arse.
Tell that to your boy that made the post then. I just called him out on beating around the bush.
Is this yet another bullshite race thing to you too?
Posted on 1/14/23 at 4:42 am to Leto II
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Because most of these people were never college athletes and don't get it.
I work with a person who was a student athlete at Arkansas. We talk about it some. Said the time wasn't that huge of a deal.
This post was edited on 1/14/23 at 4:56 am
Posted on 1/14/23 at 4:47 am to HogPharmer
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College football became top-heavy long before NIL. If anything, you'd think that it would increase the ability of schools like Aggie (lol) to compete... As well as Arkansas, and some of the other Top 20 most profitable programs in the country to help balance things out.
I think the portal helps with that more than NIL does. NIL really doesn't even affect that does it?
Seems that NIL will just make it more top heavy. Bigger, more successful programs can pay more.
At least the portal allows talented backups from those big schools to transfer to help other teams get better.
This post was edited on 1/14/23 at 4:58 am
Posted on 1/14/23 at 4:57 am to Sgt Tuffnuts
The fact that you don’t understand it is not surprising no matter which side of the opinion you are on. You post like an adolescent girl
Posted on 1/14/23 at 5:12 am to Leto II
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Because most of these people were never college athletes and don't get it.
I'm against it
Mainly because it doesn't affect the non revenue equivalency sports, getting partial scholarships and shite, unless you're a smoking hot instawhore. It just caters to the most catered. At best it will clear up some of the under the table payments.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 7:02 am to Cheese Grits
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All this happened 100 years ago, the POTUS and Congress got involved and the NCAA was born.
The NCAA was created to deal with athlete health and safety concerns and establish a uniform set of rules for the variety of sports. Its formation was due to direct support from the executive branch and leaders of various universities. Congress only got involved decades later to give the NCAA special exemptions to labor and trade laws. The Supreme Court has only gotten involved in the last forty years, starting with the infamous OU/Georgia lawsuit that allowed schools to control their own media rights.
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The overwhelming majority of schools already lose money on athletics.
Yet so many of those same schools 'losing money' on athletics are able to give coaching staffs annual 5 - 6 digit raises, and buy new head coaches paying them 20% - 50% more than the previous coach started off with. It's like the magic money falls from the skies out of thin air or grows on trees. Amazing really.
This post was edited on 1/14/23 at 7:23 am
Posted on 1/14/23 at 7:30 am to i am dan
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Tell that to your boy that made the post then. I just called him out on beating around the bush.
Is this yet another bull shite race thing to you too?
My question is what makes this a race thing to you and why would you insinuate that he is speaking on race? As far as I know kids of all color have benefitted from NIL, hell Arch Manning has made the most NIL money out of all football players and he is white so why would NIL be a race issue?
Posted on 1/14/23 at 7:54 am to qman91
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My question is what makes this a race thing to you and why would you insinuate that he is speaking on race? As far as I know kids of all color have benefitted from NIL, hell Arch Manning has made the most NIL money out of all football players and he is white so why would NIL be a race issue?
I think you’re confused on who made it a race thing and who did not
Posted on 1/14/23 at 8:58 am to WorkinDawg
The guy didn't insinuate it was about race at all but it doesn't matter, I just hope every kid can maximize their opportunities and bring home enough money to live a comfortably life even after college because a majority of these kids aren't gonna reach the NFL. NIL could be life-changing money for a portion of them.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 9:13 am to jonnyanony
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Because they are already compensated:
Full ride scholarship
all books/fees paid
special tutors
all housing paid
all meals paid
+ stipend
That's great. Would you trade your salary for this?
The salary I was earning WHILE A COLLEGE STUDENT (which is what these players are)? Absolutely.
Depending on the school (and tuition/fees), they get compensation worth into 6 figures per year (I didn't even include the fully paid healthcare/medical treatment on demand as was pointed out in another post).
Posted on 1/14/23 at 9:15 am to Sgt Tuffnuts
College athletes get their education, living expenses, food, etc. all paid for by simply playing a sport that a multitude of kids WISH they could play well enough to get a scholarship for playing.
When one gets paid for doing something regularly, it becomes a job...and when money enters the equation, corruption is never far behind.
Instead of fixing the "broken fence" of under-the-table player payments, the courts have decided to just "tear the whole damn thing down" and let'em do whatever they want (sound familiar to what's happening on our Southern border?).
Unless there are immediate changes to the rules(payments and portal jumping), we won't need to worry about the problem. It'll simply implode into a minor league NFL.
When one gets paid for doing something regularly, it becomes a job...and when money enters the equation, corruption is never far behind.
Instead of fixing the "broken fence" of under-the-table player payments, the courts have decided to just "tear the whole damn thing down" and let'em do whatever they want (sound familiar to what's happening on our Southern border?).
Unless there are immediate changes to the rules(payments and portal jumping), we won't need to worry about the problem. It'll simply implode into a minor league NFL.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 9:33 am to coachcrisp
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College athletes get their education, living expenses, food, etc. all paid for by simply playing a sport
But, no one who supports NIL or compensation wants to honestly talk about this. In addition to what you stated, what is the value of that diploma from Georgia, Notre Dame, Southern Cal, etc.
And let's add in other intangibles. How about those medical/training facilities that are for the exclusive use of athletes? Guarantee you if you tried to go into one of those indoor practice facilities at a major university you would be thrown out on you ear. How about value of tutoring and other educational support activities provided by the universities?
But no, the counterarguments consist of dog whistles like 'slave labor', etc, when in fact, student athletes were already handsomely compensated, although that compensation was from the value of services/amenities received.
Then there's the false flag of revenues by the universities. Yes, FOOTBALL is pulling in millions, but where is the money going? It's going to fund golf, equestrian, women's tennis, etc. I did some research a few years ago and found a list with the revenues of the 120+ institutions in FBS. Of those 120+ institutions, only 5 were operating in the black. Oh, and where do the shortfalls come from? In most cases it was through increased student fees. So, tuition is already through the roof, but now the average student gets to finance athletics with higher fees.
Bottom line is this. If we're going to discuss whether or not athletes should get paid. Let's do it honestly and recognize that there are valid reasons to the opposition to "pay for play."
Posted on 1/14/23 at 9:49 am to Sgt Tuffnuts
If you really want to know why NIL is bad I will tell you.
Because 90% of the players are childish and haven't grown up yet and don't know how to handle responsibilities. Giving money to irresponsible people is about the worst thing you can do to them. For one, they haven't earned it, so they won't appreciate it, and 2ndly you are letting them bypass an important part of their life where they learn how to be a responsible adult, and they can never get that back.
Becoming successful involves a series of steps and it is just like building a house. If you don't lay a good foundation, that house is never going to be stable. The only place work doesn't come before success is in the dictionary.
You can take 90% of pro athletes and once they get that big contract the decline begins. I am sure it will be worse for teenagers.
These multi-millionaires and billionaires throwing their money around the NIL are idiots. They are screwing the game up and they need to go establish a minor league system and leave the college programs alone. Baseball has it pretty close to correct other than the scholly limitations.
Because 90% of the players are childish and haven't grown up yet and don't know how to handle responsibilities. Giving money to irresponsible people is about the worst thing you can do to them. For one, they haven't earned it, so they won't appreciate it, and 2ndly you are letting them bypass an important part of their life where they learn how to be a responsible adult, and they can never get that back.
Becoming successful involves a series of steps and it is just like building a house. If you don't lay a good foundation, that house is never going to be stable. The only place work doesn't come before success is in the dictionary.
You can take 90% of pro athletes and once they get that big contract the decline begins. I am sure it will be worse for teenagers.
These multi-millionaires and billionaires throwing their money around the NIL are idiots. They are screwing the game up and they need to go establish a minor league system and leave the college programs alone. Baseball has it pretty close to correct other than the scholly limitations.
This post was edited on 1/14/23 at 9:50 am
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