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re: Who will be the next elite team in the SEC?
Posted on 9/17/12 at 9:35 am to Hump
Posted on 9/17/12 at 9:35 am to Hump
I live in your state. It's not that it's a small town. It's that it's Starkville! It's near nothing. Very few if any elite level recruits wanna go there and spend four years of their lives losing to LSU and Alabama, amongst others. My daughter went there. I tried to warn her. She left after year 1, wound up at Tulane. (where did I go wrong??)
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Posted on 9/17/12 at 9:48 am to TbirdSpur2010
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. But that's assuming we can overcome nearly a century's worth of underachieving.
Florida wallowed in mediocrity for nearly that long until Spurrier aroused the sleeping gator.
SEC membership/recruitment, bright young coach, finally out from under the shadow of Bevo...
TAMU has a great chance to emerge.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 9:51 am to Fishhead
The only way to level the playing field is to put a cap on NCAA spending. It would make the league much more competitive and redirect the focus to education where it is supposed to be anyway. Until this happens the competition will continue to spiral toward a select few programs.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 9:59 am to BamaScoop
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It cracks me up every year when UGA wins a couple of games and their fans start talking championship
Wrong.
We start talking championships as soon as the season ends. Don't you know we are the pre-season national champions 32 years running?
Get your facts straight before posting please.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 9:59 am to RebelWriter
The best hope for the Mississippi schools is they have an alum that turns into a T Boone Pickens/Phil Knight/Walton family that decides to drop $300 mill on the program. Don't know who that could be though. I honestly think if they had the cash the Mississippi schools could go toe to toe with the rest of the SEC West, especially Ole Miss. Right now it's just hard to recruit there against the other powers.
A&M has 3 Billionaire Former Students of note, 2 of which have given heavily to the school and a 3rd that has flirted with it in the past but none of the 3 has given big to football as of yet. We have a ton of grads in the "8 and 9 figure" group though. Oil money is good and A&M has the best Petroleum Engineering school in the world, though that isn't where all the big money guys are.
A&M has 3 Billionaire Former Students of note, 2 of which have given heavily to the school and a 3rd that has flirted with it in the past but none of the 3 has given big to football as of yet. We have a ton of grads in the "8 and 9 figure" group though. Oil money is good and A&M has the best Petroleum Engineering school in the world, though that isn't where all the big money guys are.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 10:01 am to crispyUGA
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Bobo discovered the Pistol...prepare your anus, SEC.
/thread
Posted on 9/17/12 at 10:03 am to skirpnasty
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The only way to level the playing field is to put a cap on NCAA spending. It would make the league much more competitive and redirect the focus to education where it is supposed to be anyway. Until this happens the competition will continue to spiral toward a select few programs.
Obama approves this message. Heck, why don't the big schools give their excess funds to the smaller schools while we are at it.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 10:05 am to dr__dawggy
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Florida wallowed in mediocrity for nearly that long until Spurrier aroused the sleeping gator.
SEC membership/recruitment, bright young coach, finally out from under the shadow of Bevo...
TAMU has a great chance to emerge.
Here's hoping you're right!
Posted on 9/17/12 at 10:05 am to genro
quote:LSU and Alabama are recruiting the perfect players for their system and retaining crucial coaches. For the foreseeable future LSU and Bama will be the power houses.
No one anytime soon
Posted on 9/17/12 at 10:06 am to Hump
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UT and UF are not back yet. Not close.
so you don't think florida is close to being back to an elite program? i don't think you are thinking at all. meyer went in the tank and drug his team down with him but that was very short lived. florida is an elite recruiting program and that has not changed (nor slowed down). all they needed was coaching and leadership. they may have that now. i slammed muschamp a lot becasue i do not like him and wouldn't want to even have a beer with the egotistical son of a bitch. but, it appears he's gonna be a good HC.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 10:06 am to Tigah32
UF has an elite recruiting base and advantage...
Posted on 9/17/12 at 10:08 am to Damn Good Dawg
Posted on 9/17/12 at 10:17 am to alabamabuckeye
My money is on a Florida resurgence or South Carolina if Spurrier stays and they continue to pump money into the facilities.
- MSU - not a chance. Not enough money and facilities just aren't up to par
- Auburn - not until they get rid of Chizik (which I hope is never). And then it will take several years and Saban to retire to swing things back their way.
- Georgia - will always be good, but not great with Richt. He's just too nice to get kids to consistently improve and compete.
- Tennessee - They have their own recruiting challenges and Dooley is not the guy to get them there.
- TAMU - could be a possibility. Being in the SEC has done wonders for Arkansas and USCe. SEC cred + Texas talent could be a dangerous combination.
- Mizzou - Their highschool stadium and facilities will relegate them to bounce back and forth between mid and lower tier SEC for the rest of their exisitence.
- Ole Miss/Vandy/Kentucky - N/A
- Arkansas - I think they sealed their fate for at least the next 10 years with this Petrino/JLS implosion.
- MSU - not a chance. Not enough money and facilities just aren't up to par
- Auburn - not until they get rid of Chizik (which I hope is never). And then it will take several years and Saban to retire to swing things back their way.
- Georgia - will always be good, but not great with Richt. He's just too nice to get kids to consistently improve and compete.
- Tennessee - They have their own recruiting challenges and Dooley is not the guy to get them there.
- TAMU - could be a possibility. Being in the SEC has done wonders for Arkansas and USCe. SEC cred + Texas talent could be a dangerous combination.
- Mizzou - Their highschool stadium and facilities will relegate them to bounce back and forth between mid and lower tier SEC for the rest of their exisitence.
- Ole Miss/Vandy/Kentucky - N/A
- Arkansas - I think they sealed their fate for at least the next 10 years with this Petrino/JLS implosion.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 10:26 am to alabamabuckeye
There are only 6 programs that have truly proven that they have the potential to be elite in this conference and 2 of them currently are (Bama and LSU). The only other 4 that have the proven that they have potential are Florida, Georgia, Auburn, and Tennessee.
Texas A&M, on paper, has always had the potential, but they have to prove it before I will say they will be.
South Carolina's window is closing quickly. They better win a title or two quick, because as soon as Spurrier retires, they drop fast.
Nobody else has a shot.
So..... my guess is Florida or Georgia. They have proven it and continue to recruit Top Ten Classes over and over again. They have all the pieces in place to get back to the top.
Texas A&M, on paper, has always had the potential, but they have to prove it before I will say they will be.
South Carolina's window is closing quickly. They better win a title or two quick, because as soon as Spurrier retires, they drop fast.
Nobody else has a shot.
So..... my guess is Florida or Georgia. They have proven it and continue to recruit Top Ten Classes over and over again. They have all the pieces in place to get back to the top.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 10:27 am to alabamabuckeye
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Who will be the next elite team in the SEC?
Nobody is the only correct answer. you see the SEC actually has 6 elite programs. These programs will have their down times but always percolate back up to the top of the pile.
1. Alabama
2. Auburn
3. Georgia
4. Florida
5. LSU
6. Tennessee
These 6 programs have always been and always will be the standard bearers of the SEC.
Below these "Big 6" you have a number of very good, though not elite programs. The programs will go through periods of being good, sometimes great or almost great. But lack the conference tradition and stature to be considered as SEC elite and generally percolate downward after brief periods of relevancy.
7. Arkansas
8. Mississippi
9. Mississippi State
10. South Carolina
11. Missouri*
12. Texas A&M*
Then there are the bottom tier teams. Teams that have either a distant past of success or no history of success. They will upset teams from time to time but generally remain in the cellar year after year.
13. Vandy
14. Kentucky
So, like I said, there will be no "next" elite SEC programs. History proves that there is a "Big 6" that always dominate the conference. They will change order, they will have down times. but the thing about these Big 6 is they always rise to the top for a time. This has been true in the conference for decades and is not about to change.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 10:28 am to bulldawger
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Posted on 9/17/12 at 10:34 am to skirpnasty
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The only way to level the playing field is to put a cap on NCAA spending. It would make the league much more competitive and redirect the focus to education where it is supposed to be anyway. Until this happens the competition will continue to spiral toward a select few programs.
So there is no way this is ever happening. In fact I would say it is far more likely the SEC just drops one or both of the Mississippi schools before this happens (that isn't happening either). If the NCAA ever tried a move like this though I think the SEC would just give it a big
Posted on 9/17/12 at 10:39 am to aggressor
Also msu did have a big alum give a few hundred mil as you said. His name was Leo seal and it is currently paving the way for our 80 million dollar practice facility and then the stadium expansion that we just broke ground on.
Posted on 9/17/12 at 10:42 am to Elleshoe
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Hugh Freeze made UT bend da knee last night. Yall don't wanna be like that
Nutt bent dat knee on LSU in 2008 in baton rouge
:Rebsessed:
Posted on 9/17/12 at 10:44 am to alabamabuckeye
Alabama's second team.
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