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Posted on 3/28/12 at 7:56 pm to TTsTowel
I even disagree with that,sure you guys had a stout O-line but that's it.defense,WR's,and even the RB's were unproven....
Posted on 3/28/12 at 7:56 pm to RollTide1987
J.B Whitworth had two winning seasons in 8 years as a head coach. It doesn't seem to suggest that his failures were all on the athletic administration in the post Harold Drew era. Hey, but Whitworth was 22-11 as Alabama's baseball coach from 1932-33.
Posted on 3/28/12 at 7:56 pm to secfan123
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yes he had problems. but he did less to overcome his than any other coach
It's hard to do that when the athletic director is trying to micromanage your situation right behind your back. That's one reason why Bryant stipulated that he would become both head coach AND athletic director before he took the Alabama job. He had heard how Whitworth had been handled by Crisp. While Crisp did great things for the athletic department during his career, he was a horrible athletic director.
Posted on 3/28/12 at 7:57 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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J.B Whitworth had two winning seasons in 8 years as a head coach.
And Stallings had a losing record when he was hired at Alabama. Difference was, he actually didn't have the athletic director on his back until his final year at Alabama.
Posted on 3/28/12 at 7:57 pm to TT9
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Buuut you guys think you win the National Title without Cam?
We wouldn't have won the National Title with Cam if we didn't have the Offensive Line and Fairley.
Posted on 3/28/12 at 7:58 pm to RollTide1987
You refuse to give up this stupid argument, don't you?
Posted on 3/28/12 at 7:59 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
I want to say Nutt, but it's definitely Jack Crowe
Posted on 3/28/12 at 7:59 pm to TT9
You can disagree with it all you want. We're playing the grand 'ole "what-if" game. We still won it. Chizik was our head coach. He wanted Gus Malzahn hired. Malzahn wanted to recruit Cam Newton. It happened, the rest is history. It all revolved around Gene Chizik.
Posted on 3/28/12 at 8:00 pm to Swoopin
Ed Orgeron
Posted on 3/28/12 at 8:02 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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You refuse to give up this stupid argument, don't you?
I'm just giving you my opinion. I've read a lot about this time period in the archives of the Bryant Museum as well as in articles done by Keith Dunnavant and I have become convinced that while Whitworth was at best a mediocre coach, he was hampered TREMENDOUSLY (I can't overstate that enough) by Hank Crisp and the athletic department. There was some serious micromanaging going on at the time that was a detriment to the program. As a result, Bryant wouldn't take the job unless he was awarded the title of head coach and athletic director because he didn't want to have to deal with what Whitworth went through and what Drew went through in his final year or so as head coach.
Posted on 3/28/12 at 8:02 pm to RollTide1987
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Thats great. Except his final year was 1956, not 1955.
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Wrong. He went 199th in the 1956 NFL Draft.
and the knee injury was in his junior year ie 1954.
This post was edited on 3/28/12 at 8:04 pm
Posted on 3/28/12 at 8:05 pm to TT9
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TT9
Auburn went 8-5 this past year. Do you think we would have won the MNC again this year had Cam come back? Assuming everyone else left that did? Keep in mind we got blown out by Arky, LSU, UGA and Bama.
Posted on 3/28/12 at 8:05 pm to RollTide1987
It still doesn't negate the fact that his coaching tenure was simply the worst on-the-field product in Alabama's entire history.
Posted on 3/28/12 at 8:06 pm to secfan123
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and the knee injury was in his junior year ie 1954.
Back injury, not knee injury. That was my bad. And you're right, the injury occurred in the '54 season, not '55. Whitworth believed that the seniors were the ones who were leading the rebellions at practice and therefore decided to bench them in favor of players who he thought wanted to be there. I guess Starr was one of those players who suffered as only one or two seniors played all year.
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Posted on 3/28/12 at 8:07 pm to RollTide1987
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I'm just giving you my opinion. I've read a lot about this time period in the archives of the Bryant Museum as well as in articles done by Keith Dunnavant
YEt you were convinced that a year where drew won the SEc and finished 13 was part of his "destroying" the program.
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and I have become convinced that while Whitworth was at best a mediocre coach, he was hampered TREMENDOUSLY (I can't overstate that enough) by Hank Crisp and the athletic department.
So? You might have an argument had he managed to squeeze a SINGLE win in nhis first year. Thats not being hampered. Thats monumentally bad coaching.
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There was some serious micromanaging going on at the time that was a detriment to the program.
Not to extent that his record should have been THAT bad.
Posted on 3/28/12 at 8:09 pm to secfan123
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YEt you were convinced that a year where drew won the SEc and finished 13 was part of his "destroying" the program.
Read up on the 1953 Alabama Crimson Tide. They won that title purely by default. They went 4-0-3 in conference and would have gone 3-0-4 if not for a last minute touchdown in one SEC game. 6-3-3 is not a good record beyond any stretch of the imagination and they got blown out in the Cotton Bowl by Rice.
Posted on 3/28/12 at 8:10 pm to TTsTowel
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Has won more SEC West titles than Petrino.
Thanks to other schools being on probation.
Posted on 3/28/12 at 8:11 pm to RollTide1987
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Read up on the 1953 Alabama Crimson Tide. They won that title purely by default. They went 4-0-3 in conference and would have gone 3-0-4 if not for a last minute touchdown in one SEC game. 6-3-3 is not a good record beyond any stretch of the imagination and they got blown out in the Cotton Bowl by Rice.
yet were still voted a top 15 team. ties were not uncommon back then. a top 15 finish is NOT "destroying" a program.
Posted on 3/28/12 at 8:13 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Ed Orgeron
Recruiting genius
Set Nutt up for two Cotton Bowl wins..
After that, Nutt fell on his face...
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