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re: Who is the worst coach in your program's history?
Posted on 3/28/12 at 7:40 pm to bamascott2
Posted on 3/28/12 at 7:40 pm to bamascott2
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AU would've won the NC without Cam? Stop it! You're killing me!!!
The Saints would've won the Super Bowl without Drew Brees? No, you stop it. You're killing me.
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Posted on 3/28/12 at 7:41 pm to bamascott2
Would New Orleans have won the Super Bowl without Drew Brees? Am I still killing you?
Posted on 3/28/12 at 7:41 pm to TTsTowel
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They looked much better towards the end of the year versus the beginning. The Virginia game was quite a surprise.
Once Trotter got into the game they looked like a completely different team. I will give you that. They looked like the same team until Moseley got hurt. I think his injury was the best thing that could have happened to your team.
Posted on 3/28/12 at 7:42 pm to memphisplaya
hallman, i really hope bad things happen to him
Posted on 3/28/12 at 7:43 pm to RollTide1987
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I still won't and don't give him credit for 1999. That season was a fluke and a half that had A LOT more to do with the desire from the senior players than the coaching from Dubose.
It still wasn't as depressing as J.B. Whitworth's 4-24-2 record, as my grandfather could attest to. I mean, Fran did come in and win 17 games in two years after Dubose. So, at least in terms of the roster he didn't destroy the program.
Posted on 3/28/12 at 7:43 pm to RollTide1987
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And, as I have said before, Whitworth was not as bad as his record shows.
yopu are what your record says you are.
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His predecessor, Harold "Red" Drew, completely destroyed the football program with the 1953 and 1954 seasons and left the athletic department in complete and total chaos.
Red Drew won the SEc in 1953 and finished numnber 11 in the coaches and number 13 in the AP. In 1954, he was one game under five hundred. Thats not destroying a program.
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Whitworth was not allowed to hire his own assistants and was therefore left with coaches from the Drew and Thomas years.
You would have an argument if he did something better than 0-10 his first AND second year. While it may not be ideal, a brief reading of his lax practices and fundamental misunderstanding of football strategy were to blame. far more than who his assistants were.
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Most of them were washed up old men who should have retired years before. Because of this, none of them were able to exercise any control over the players at practice and they would often become chaotic messes, with fights breaking out all the time.
the disorganization of the practices were directly at HIS feet. As was the benching of future hall of famer Bart Starr. you think any other Bama coach benches bart starr?
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Like I said, Whitworth was not a good coach, but had he arrived under a different set of circumstances he wouldn't have done nearly as bad as he did.
the fact that he benched an nfl hall of famer says otherwise.
Posted on 3/28/12 at 7:43 pm to RollTide1987
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Once Trotter got into the game they looked like a completely different team. I will give you that. They looked like the same team until Moseley got hurt. I think his injury was the best thing that could have happened to your team.
I agree, although I also wish Kiehl would've been able to pass more in games that we were blowing teams out. At least try to help prepare him for the next season. Clint Moseley is a little crybaby bitch, and I pray to God I won't have to see him on the field again this season. Dude should be playing at USA or UNA, not at a SEC school. He only got his offer because we needed depth and it was Chizik's first class he threw together. So I'll have to agree with you.
Posted on 3/28/12 at 7:45 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
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Would New Orleans have won the Super Bowl without Drew Brees? Am I still killing you?
Moreso than AU winning the BCS without Cam. The analogy isn't even close.
And yes.
Posted on 3/28/12 at 7:45 pm to secfan123
Jeebus,that much time on that?
Posted on 3/28/12 at 7:45 pm to TTsTowel
The real question is who replaces Chiz after he is canned will it be Dabo the walk-on from Phelham or Gary Paterson ?
Posted on 3/28/12 at 7:45 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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It still wasn't as depressing as J.B. Whitworth's 4-24-2 record, as my grandfather could attest to. I mean, Fran did come in and win 17 games in two years after Dubose. So, at least in terms of the roster he didn't destroy the program.
And it's not like Whitworth destroyed the roster either. In Bryant's first year we were competing hard and would have gone to a bowl game had the bowl game that invited us offered the players gifts that bowl games usually hand out to the teams. Bryant refused the invitation when he found out they would not do that. And also...Fran wasn't a bad coach. Had the Albert Means scandal never happened I think he would have been successful. I doubt he would have won a national title but he would have had us competing consistently for conference championships.
This post was edited on 3/28/12 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 3/28/12 at 7:48 pm to RollTide1987
Bryant could make any roster compete hard.
Posted on 3/28/12 at 7:49 pm to RollTide1987
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And it's not like Whitworth destroyed the roster either. In Bryant's first year we were competing hard and would have gone to a bowl game had the bowl game that invited us offered the players gifts that bowl games usually hand out to the teams.
says more about bryants coaching than whitworths players.
Again, your holding up a man who benched his only nfl hall of famer? shite at least dubose was smart enough to ride Alexander and Samuels to a championship
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Posted on 3/28/12 at 7:49 pm to bamascott2
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Moreso than AU winning the BCS without Cam. The analogy isn't even close.
Oh, it's very close.
Auburn would've won around 10 games without Cam Newton in 2010. He just took us to that next level. Had Newton not been recruited, Tyrik Rollison would've stayed at Auburn and not transfered out (unless he tranfered out due to grades, I'm not really sure). He was a damn good QB and making strides.
ETA: The Saints wouldn't have won shite without Drew Brees.
This post was edited on 3/28/12 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 3/28/12 at 7:50 pm to secfan123
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Again, your holding up a man who benched his only nfl hall of famer?
I'm not holding him up. I'm just saying that a lot of it wasn't his fault. And Starr had a pretty sizable knee injury in '55 which kept him out most of the year. That also contributed greatly to the disaster that was 1955.
In my humble opinion, the failure of Whitworth had more to do with Hank Crisp, the athletic director, than it had to do with Whitworth himself. Crisp didn't really give Whitworth that much to work with. I think that's one of the reasons why Bryant wanted to be both athletic director and head coach before he agreed to take the Alabama job. He heard what had happened under Whitworth and didn't want anything like that happening again.
This post was edited on 3/28/12 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 3/28/12 at 7:50 pm to TTsTowel
Buuut you think you guys win the title without Cam,yes or no?
Posted on 3/28/12 at 7:51 pm to bamascott2
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Moreso than AU winning the BCS without Cam. The analogy isn't't even close.
If you truly believe this, I can't even go on having this debate with you. This position is ridiculous.
Posted on 3/28/12 at 7:52 pm to RollTide1987
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I'm not holding him up.
Your pointing to him being better than a cvoach with hardware.
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I'm just saying that a lot of it wasn't his fault.
yes he had problems. but he did less to overcome his than any other coach
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And Starr had a pretty sizable knee injury in '55 which kept him out most of the year.
Thats great. Except his final year was 1956, not 1955.
This post was edited on 3/28/12 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 3/28/12 at 7:53 pm to TT9
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Buuut you think you guys win the title without Cam,yes or no?
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Auburn would've won around 10 games without Cam Newton in 2010
Posted on 3/28/12 at 7:55 pm to secfan123
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Thats great. Except his final year was 1956, not 1955.
Wrong. He went 199th in the 1956 NFL Draft.
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