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re: What’s the temp on Harsin?

Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:51 pm to
Posted by BuzzSaw 12
The Dark Side Of The Moon
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Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:51 pm to
Do they even have the money to fire him? Aren't they paying Gus 20 million plus?
Posted by Leto II
Arrakis
Member since Dec 2018
21282 posts
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:53 pm to
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Aren't they paying Gus 20 million plus?


More like 15 at this point
Posted by BigTastey
Middle Georgia
Member since Feb 2019
3418 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:46 am to
Ask the boys from Tuscaloosa! They seem to know it all!
Posted by Auburntiger
BTR area
Member since Mar 2005
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Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:49 am to
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Do they even have the money to fire him? Aren't they paying Gus 20 million plus?



why do you think lumber prices are so high??


















Posted by VeeMar
Member since Sep 2022
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Posted on 9/29/22 at 8:51 am to
He's 1-0 in the SEC!
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58913 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 9:11 am to
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Auburn fans must have help UGA beat Alabama to the end


Uhhhhhhh no. Many Auburn fans were actually rooting for Alabama and were quite open about it. I did see several (meaning one or two) openly say they were pulling for Georgia, though.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58913 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 9:15 am to
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Those accusations were not made by Boosters. They were made by ex-coaches, ex-player and employees within the AD. The University had to look into them, the problem was some of the employees released the news to the press and started the rumors. People do not realize that when an investigation uncovers information, it is best to keep it tight to the vest. Releasing the information allows lawsuits to be filed and AU did not want that regardless of who was found guilty or not guilty. The stupidity of some on here is amazing,


You are pretty much the only Auburn fan on this board that is stating this.

That said, even if it came within the Athletic Department it came from Auburn people, and is not a good look. You can paint it any way you want, but it was not good and pretty much crippled recruiting and any chance he had to succeed.

The damage is done, though, it would probably be to Auburn's advantage to go ahead and cut ties and try to start over. But make no mistake that whole episode did damage to Auburn's image and reputation. Coaches are going to think twice before going somewhere in which their own Athletic Department (or administration) undermines them.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58913 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 9:19 am to
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All my Auburn friends think he sucks and should be looking for a frickin mover


Probably a combination of both. The episode (wherever it was started or who started it) probably crippled him, and he was probably not quite ready for a job the size of Auburn. Cutting a coach loose after two seasons will hurt, though....IF he gets cut loose. I would be curious to see how things would have played out had the spring episode had not gone down. I think it would have gone better overall, but he just wasn't ready, either. Y'all might have gotten stuck with another coach like Gus Malzahn in his last 2-3 years.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 9:40 am to
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You are pretty much the only Auburn fan on this board that is stating this. That said, even if it came within the Athletic Department it came from Auburn people, and is not a good look. You can paint it any way you want, but it was not good and pretty much crippled recruiting and any chance he had to succeed. The damage is done, though, it would probably be to Auburn's advantage to go ahead and cut ties and try to start over. But make no mistake that whole episode did damage to Auburn's image and reputation. Coaches are going to think twice before going somewhere in which their own Athletic Department (or administration) undermines them.


Those are the facts, regardless of what you are hearing from websites.You call them Auburn people, but some are just employees or disgruntled players. The environment allowed them to feed off each other.

AUs reputation is something that is being fed by other outside the program. Any coach who is of any intelligence will do his own research. Most do and do not depend on reporters or enemies of the program. Bottom line is every program or organization have disgruntled employees, when those individuals get traction you will see what you see at Auburn. The fact the University is in the Top 5 of satisfied employers in the State is being ignored.
Posted by BigTastey
Middle Georgia
Member since Feb 2019
3418 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 9:55 am to
Respectfully,
You are either fishing with shinny bait or you have friends who do not know what they are talking about.
The temp on Harsin is so intense the lid blew off the pot!
Posted by Tiger on the Rag
Cattle Gap Egypt
Member since Jan 2018
6832 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 9:58 am to
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Those accusations were not made by Boosters. They were made by ex-coaches, ex-player and employees within the AD. The University had to look into them, the problem was some of the employees released the news to the press and started the rumors. People do not realize that when an investigation uncovers information, it is best to keep it tight to the vest. Releasing the information allows lawsuits to be filed and AU did not want that regardless of who was found guilty or not guilty. The stupidity of some on here is amazing,





Agree 100%
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30214 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 10:08 am to
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You really think anybody on this board really knows?

Sir, let me introduce you to Irons Puppet.
Posted by WDE24
Member since Oct 2010
54132 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 10:11 am to
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he’s getting a raw deal
He got a raw deal, but I don’t think the match is salvageable. He’s cooked at Auburn.
Posted by BigTastey
Middle Georgia
Member since Feb 2019
3418 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 10:23 am to
That is because this gentlemen is spot on and has good contacts. It will all come out afterward.
Aubie is attempting to handle this quietly and professionally as possible and is not responsible for what went down two weeks after last years IB and the first of this year.
Mason and Bobo left for valid reasons and those reasons worked there way to the top of the food chain at Auburn.
Bobo is in Athens so that staff knows what went down. Sad part and you are correct, Kirby and the others will rightfully use it to their advantage as Kirby's has done against Gus over the past years.
Coaching is like a fraternity in that everyone knows the dirt on each other but most stay quiet.
Mason had an opportunity to sign a piece of paper that would have put all to bed but he did not because of that fraternity.
Seriously and not being a smart arse....why don't one of you dawgs and your connections to Kirby ask him what he thinks about Harsin. He will tell you in a heart beat Georgia is just fine as long as Harsin is at Auburn.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 10:33 am to
So tell us 1941, where have I been wrong about it? Where was I wrong in how Harsin was selected and by who? Where was I wrong with who was originally interviewed for the job? Why AU conducted an investigation?

We will wait for your response to show us NOBODY knows what was going on.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30214 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 10:50 am to
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Those are the facts, regardless of what you are hearing from websites.You call them Auburn people, but some are just employees or disgruntled players. The environment allowed them to feed off each other.

AUs reputation is something that is being fed by other outside the program. Any coach who is of any intelligence will do his own research. Most do and do not depend on reporters or enemies of the program. Bottom line is every program or organization have disgruntled employees, when those individuals get traction you will see what you see at Auburn. The fact the University is in the Top 5 of satisfied employers in the State is being ignored.

You do know that the perception of Auburn is fed by people both inside and outside the program. It's a double edged sword when disgruntled folks inside air what should be private company business to the outside. And then your beat writers getting their digs in on the program (which is asinine.) Phillip Marshall wrote a scathing article in February stating Harsin was fired/terminated, he ended up with egg on his face but it still further enforced the negative narrative.

You are correct, a coaching candidate will do his own research. But he's going to see the annual diatribe Malzhan went through. The yearly questioning, critiquing and anger from the fan base was prevalent every year with Jay Tate/Josh Moon (fricking idiot) at one point offering play-by-play from the AD's office when Leath was out of town. Moon/Tate reporting bullshite about Harbert behind closed doors negotiating a contract reduction in order to can Gus, trying to delegitimize the man's contract. Nothing every happened, Gus wasn't fired and his contract was untouched.

Gus wanted job security and he demanded a guaranteed contract in '17 an effort to quell the annual "fire Gus" bandwagoners. Now on to Harsin and what turned into a media shitstorm for days on end all because "inside" folks inside the AD leaked what should've been a private inner office investigation on Harsin.

Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30214 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 10:56 am to
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So tell us 1941, where have I been wrong about it? Where was I wrong in how Harsin was selected and by who? Where was I wrong with who was originally interviewed for the job? Why AU conducted an investigation?

We will wait for your response to show us NOBODY knows what was going on.


Settle down IP. Kindly show me where said you were wrong. My response was to Auburn80 when he asked if anyone on here really knows anything?


YOU know.
Posted by yallgood
Franklinton
Member since Jan 2018
822 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 11:05 am to
Any coach that thinks Finley is the answer at QB deserves anything they get.
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 11:20 am to
Most of it is being fed from outside the program and for a reason. Those who provided information were already out of the AD or were going to be out of it. Marshall is close to some of the older people in the department, but those people are dwindling. Plus Phillip only put out information that would help his buddy Steele. To this day he still claims ignorance to what actually happened.

Gus wanted complete control of the program and was given enough rope by the PTB. His agent used that to sign the big contract. Gus's biggest problem was his offense and his ego. Plus, Steele didn't like the direction of the team. He actually was Gus's downfall through his people. Steele thought he had enough support to succeed with a coup. He was wrong, which is really a positive for the Auburn people. But the press used it against AU. You listed Moon/Tate, but they were just being used by people who didn't have AU degrees. Goodman is another writer who is trying to undermine AU Athletics.

People also do not understand that AU had to conduct an investigation when a complaint was filed. The leak wasn't by anyone with power within Auburn and again was supplied to writers with an agenda. The House cleaning is almost done, inside and outside the AD. AU is on the same page for the first time since Barfields firing.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30214 posts
Posted on 9/29/22 at 11:37 am to
quote:

Most of it is being fed from outside the program and for a reason. Those who provided information were already out of the AD or were going to be out of it. Marshall is close to some of the older people in the department, but those people are dwindling. Plus Phillip only put out information that would help his buddy Steele. To this day he still claims ignorance to what actually happened.

Gus wanted complete control of the program and was given enough rope by the PTB. His agent used that to sign the big contract. Gus's biggest problem was his offense and his ego. Plus, Steele didn't like the direction of the team. He actually was Gus's downfall through his people. Steele thought he had enough support to succeed with a coup. He was wrong, which is really a positive for the Auburn people. But the press used it against AU. You listed Moon/Tate, but they were just being used by people who didn't have AU degrees. Goodman is another writer who is trying to undermine AU Athletics.

People also do not understand that AU had to conduct an investigation when a complaint was filed. The leak wasn't by anyone with power within Auburn and again was supplied to writers with an agenda. The House cleaning is almost done, inside and outside the AD. AU is on the same page for the first time since Barfields firing.

We agree.

Back to Harsin replacement and when a candidate does their own research.... What assurances can the Auburn brass make to ensure him that the disgruntled employees + those undermining beat writers are under control and will not pose issues in the future in the event it takes a new HC a couple of years to build that roster to SEC level?
Big money (much more than Harsin's salary) is one positive way to attract a solid HC, but with the last few years of negative perception + Harsin getting canned after 2 yrs + the on-the-field product + the deficient roster, it's going to take more than a big salary to make a HC feel secure.

I agree the investigation had to be conducted. But there should be at least some concern that
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