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re: What makes you think the SEC is better than the ACC this season?
Posted on 9/9/19 at 12:55 pm to im4LSU
Posted on 9/9/19 at 12:55 pm to im4LSU
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Ok, Bama LSU UGA are the top 3 SEC teams through week 2 because we all have eyes and can watch the games.
Pick 3 ACC teams you think would have the best shot against those 3. Im assuming Clemson and 2 others. Who are they?
I will make his point that he's doing a bad job articulating (or trying to).
The SEC is top heavy like every other conference. The top of the SEC is damn strong, but when you get into the 7-12 range, they aren't better than other conferences.
Tennessee
Vandy
Ole Miss
Arky
South Carolina
Are those schools any better than:
Wake
Syracuse
Pitt
Miami
VT
Nothing over the first 2 weeks would really suggest that the SEC schools in that range are better than the ACC schools in the same spots. Hell, the middle of the B1G may be the best in the country, with Maryland, Purdue, Nebraska, Northwestern after the top of the conference (OSU, Mich, MSU, Wisky, PSU).
top 3 vs top 3 it's no contest, but maybe top 10 vs. top 10 it's much closer
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Posted on 9/9/19 at 12:56 pm to Buckeye06
Top heavy is much better than one heavy, which is what the acc is.
Posted on 9/9/19 at 12:57 pm to CNB
Eh probably UVA. UNC is better than last year but it’s early who knows at this point. UNC and UVA play so I guess we will find out for sure.
Posted on 9/9/19 at 12:58 pm to Teague
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You're on an SEC message board posting. Try to imagine multiple fans of SEC teams being on an ACC site. You can't.
This is what cLemson fans on here don’t understand
Posted on 9/9/19 at 1:00 pm to DannyByGodFord
Because a mid-level SEC team was Clemson’s toughest game on their schedule.
Posted on 9/9/19 at 1:00 pm to DannyByGodFord
Check out the number of players drafted from the sec vs. acc and get back to me.
Posted on 9/9/19 at 1:01 pm to Buckeye06
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The top of the SEC is damn strong, but when you get into the 7-12 range, they aren't better than other conferences.
100% agree - the bottom of the SEC is garbage
However, #2-6 is 1/4 of the conference and we are comparing UGA, LSU, Florida, Auburn and A&M to North Carolina, Miami, Boston College, Virginia and Syracuse.
It's not even a discussion worth having.
This post was edited on 9/9/19 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 9/9/19 at 1:01 pm to DannyByGodFord
Dude, Trevor could sit every game til the playoff and y'all would still be favored in every game by 7+ points.
Get out with that.
Talking heads are trying to figure out which SEC teams (yes TeamSSSS) y'all will face in the CFP.
Get out with that.
Talking heads are trying to figure out which SEC teams (yes TeamSSSS) y'all will face in the CFP.
Posted on 9/9/19 at 1:03 pm to djsdawg
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Top heavy is much better than one heavy, which is what the acc is.
Right, but his 2-2 record is basically saying that Bama/Clemson each won a game, and then the middle/bottom of each conference beat the other in another one.
He's just not doing a good job explaining his point. If you match up the SEC/ACC 1-14, it may be 7-7 at the end, with the SEC winning 75% of the top 4 type games, then potentially losing 75% of the 9-12 games
Posted on 9/9/19 at 1:05 pm to Buckeye06
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He's just not doing a good job explaining his point. If you match up the SEC/ACC 1-14, it may be 7-7 at the end, with the SEC winning 75% of the top 4 type games, then potentially losing 75% of the 9-12 games
But I don't think that's accurate
1 SEC = 1 ACC (or slight edge ACC)
2-6 SEC >>>>> 2-6 ACC
7-14 SEC = 7-14 ACC
So equal at the top and the bottom, outclassed in the middle.
This post was edited on 9/9/19 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 9/9/19 at 1:06 pm to DannyByGodFord
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What makes you think the SEC is better than the ACC this season?
The SEC and the ACC.
Posted on 9/9/19 at 1:06 pm to CNB
Not sure yet, they've beat two bad teams
Posted on 9/9/19 at 1:14 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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1 SEC = 1 ACC (or slight edge ACC)
2-6 SEC >>>>> 2-6 ACC
7-14 SEC = 7-14 ACC
So equal at the top and the bottom, outclassed in the middle.
Agreed. I think the better argument would be the Big 10 as far as comparable with the SEC. Lot of season left to be played, but top to bottom the Big 10 might be the best conference. The SEC West is still probably the toughest division in football.
Posted on 9/9/19 at 1:14 pm to DannyByGodFord
Mark Packer?
Posted on 9/9/19 at 1:15 pm to DannyByGodFord
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So all y’all have are the rankings which are extremely flawed.
I look at on the field results in MNC runs
SEC dominates with Alabama but also has 1/2 dozen other teams winning or playing in MNC games.
ACC has what, Clemson in the early 80's, then nothing. While Miami and Florida State had solid runs back then, they were IND or Big East at the time. Starting with a 12 team ACC (and a CCG) in 2005, how many ACC teams have played for a MNC? How many SEC teams have?
++++ First BCS MNC game ++++
1998 Tennessee beat Florida State
1999 Florida State beat Virginia Tech (Hokies still in Big East)
2000 Oklahoma beat Florida State
2001 Miami (still in Big East) beats Nebraska
2002 Ohio State beat Miami (still in Big East)
2003 Louisiana State beat Oklahoma
2004 Southern California (vacated) beat Oklahoma
++++ First ACC CCG game ++++
2005 Texas beat Southern California
2006 Florida beat Ohio State
2007 Louisiana State beat Ohio State
2008 Florida beats Oklahoma
2009 Alabama beats Texas
2010 Auburn beats Oregon
2011 Alabama beats Louisiana State
2012 Alabama beats Notre Dame
++++ ACC adds Pittsburgh and Syracuse ++++
2013 Florida State beats Auburn
++++ ACC adds Louisville ++++
2014 Ohio State beats Oregon
2015 Alabama beats Clemson
2016 Clemson beats Alabama
2017 Alabama beats Georgia
2018 Clemson beats Alabama
Conference Standings
6 teams = SEC || Tennessee, Louisiana State, Florida, Alabama, Auburn, and Georgia
3 teams = B12 || Oklahoma, Texas, and Nebraska (now in B1G)
2 teams = ACC || Florida State and Clemson
2 teams = PAC || Southern California and Oregon
2 teams = BigE || Virginia Tech and Miami
1 team = B1G || Ohio State
What this means...
+ SEC is clearly the best top to bottom conference since the 1998 BCS
+ SEC is the only conference to place 2 teams in championship (happened twice)
- B1G is clearly the worst top to bottom conference since the 1998 BCS
- B12 was #2 before realignment but has fallen since
- Big E was successful but Miami and Virginia Tech have not sustained it in the ACC
- ACC and PAC have become a leader + 1 conference, without depth below that
This post was edited on 9/9/19 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 9/9/19 at 1:18 pm to CivilTiger83
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Agreed. I think the better argument would be the Big 10 as far as comparable with the SEC. Lot of season left to be played, but top to bottom the Big 10 might be the best conference. The SEC West is still probably the toughest division in football.
I agree, but a lot has to do with how good Michigan/Penn State end up being.
And, as I've said for 3 months, none of this has any bearing on how good Clemson is. Clemson is a juggernaut. It's just a dumb argument to make.
Posted on 9/9/19 at 1:31 pm to DannyByGodFord
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I’d say it’s shrunk significantly and the last 5 years the ACC has the advantage.
Yet again, you would be wrong.
In the last 5 years, the ACC has bested the SEC twice (2016 and 2014). Out of the last 10 years, 2016 and 2014 are the only 2 years the ACC has won more than they've lost against SEC teams. You have to go back to 2003 to find another year when the ACC won more than they lost.
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BY YEAR
W L T Win % PFPG PAPG
2019 2 2 0 50.0 24.0 17.8
2018 6 4 0 60.0 35.5 24.5
2017 7 5 0 58.3 28.0 27.3
2016 4 10 0 28.6 24.2 32.6
2015 6 4 0 60.0 27.0 26.5
2014 3 5 0 37.5 30.0 29.8
2013 7 4 0 63.6 29.4 26.1
2012 6 2 0 75.0 34.6 21.3
2011 5 2 0 71.4 29.0 19.6
2010 5 4 0 55.6 28.2 24.8
2009 5 4 0 55.6 25.7 26.0
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I’d say it’s shrunk significantly
You should just stick with this argument.
This post was edited on 9/9/19 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 9/9/19 at 1:33 pm to Cheese Grits
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7 teams = SEC || Tennessee, Louisiana State, Florida, Alabama, Auburn, and Georgia
Isn't that six, not seven?
Thus: BIG SIX.
Posted on 9/9/19 at 1:35 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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1 SEC = 1 ACC (or slight edge ACC)
2-6 SEC >>>>> 2-6 ACC
7-14 SEC = 7-14 ACC
With no data other than my gut, that seems like a reasonable assessment.
Posted on 9/9/19 at 1:40 pm to DannyByGodFord
Okay Danny.
Quit repeating the same fricking bullshite and tell me which ACC team NOT named Clemson is better than:
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
LSU
A&M
Mississippi State
Georgia
Syracuse?
NC State?
BC?
Pitt?
Who is better than all those teams? frick it, who is better than SOME of those teams?
You're a fricking clown.
Quit repeating the same fricking bullshite and tell me which ACC team NOT named Clemson is better than:
Alabama
Auburn
Florida
LSU
A&M
Mississippi State
Georgia
Syracuse?
NC State?
BC?
Pitt?
Who is better than all those teams? frick it, who is better than SOME of those teams?
You're a fricking clown.
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