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re: What if Penn St. Situation Happened At Your School?
Posted on 11/9/11 at 4:57 pm to pcolalsutiger
Posted on 11/9/11 at 4:57 pm to pcolalsutiger
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It's already been 9 years, these guys have no soul, no moral compass. If anyone offs themselves it will be out of public shame and humiliation, not because they know they deserve it.
^^This. They did nothing when the abuse was going on because they have no problem with the actions that took place. The only reason anyone offs himself over this scandal is if he can't live with the public bashing he's gonna be taking for the rest of his life.
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Posted on 11/9/11 at 4:58 pm to Alahunter
Paterno testified that he was told of fondling or some inappropriate conduct of a sexual nature occurring in the shower. McCreary met with Schultz and Curley and told them directly about what he witnessed. Perjury charges are based on conflict between testimony of McCreary and Curley and Schultz, not Paterno.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 5:00 pm to jddawg58
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Paterno didn't witness a child rape, or any other inappropriate conduct.
It doesn't matter what he did or did not witness. It's HIS program. He is the face of Penn State. Serious sexual allegations were brought to his attention that occurred in HIS locker room. To simply pass info along and go about his business like nothing is wrong is just shameful. I guarantee if someone brings allegations to Saban or Miles or any other coach worth a shite, they don't just pass info along and forget about it.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 5:10 pm to jddawg58
Do you really not understand how he should have called the police when it was brought to his attention, a child was raped in his showers? Is the most basic of human decency to be ignored because he's got games to win?
Posted on 11/9/11 at 5:14 pm to The ChizMan Cometh
I am willing to give Paterno a chance to tell his side of the story. I am willing to let him explain what he was told and why he didn't act further. I think he is owed that before I demand he be removed. There are far more culpable people than JoePa involved with this clusterf#ck, and I think he is receiving more than his share of blame for a situation he had little to do with. He was essentially responsible for Sandusky's retirement in 1999. I wonder if they weren't more bitter rivals than close friends.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 5:17 pm to jddawg58
Again.. read the Grand Jury report. He testified he was told about, at the very least "fondling a child and/or other sexual act". That alone warranted a call to police. How can you even defend not calling the police when you know a child was sexually assaulted, which he admitted he was told about?
Posted on 11/9/11 at 5:20 pm to Alahunter
You are leaping to conclusions. Paterno has never testified he was told that a child was raped. He testified that he was told about fondling or inappropriate conduct of a sexual nature occurring in a shower. McCreary has not, according to the Grand Jury report, testified that he told Paterno of a child rape. It does appear that that is what McCreary told Curley and Schultz when he met with them.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 5:21 pm to ReauxlTide222
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it seems like people aren't realizing how ridiculous this really is.
I think it's ridiculous all the support Paterno is getting. WTF is wrong with him that he didn't immediately report this to the police. This wasn't consenting adults, it involved a child.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 5:23 pm to jddawg58
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he was told about fondling or inappropriate conduct of a sexual nature occurring in a shower.
Thats what I said above. STILL AN ILLEGAL ACT!
And yes, the report said McCreary TOLD HIM WHAT HAPPENED. To which he said was anal intercourse with what appeared to be a 10 yr old child. Your defense and twisting of what actually happened is sickening. And your belief that authorities shouldn't have been called by either report is equally disgusting.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 5:26 pm to jddawg58
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You are leaping to conclusions. Paterno has never testified he was told that a child was raped. He testified that he was told about fondling or inappropriate conduct of a sexual nature occurring in a shower.
Dude...really?
It doesn't fricking matter. The fact that he knew Sandusky was a fricking pedophile and let him stay around the football facility for NINE frickING YEARS after he found out about it is absolutely disgusting.
This post was edited on 11/9/11 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 11/9/11 at 5:27 pm to jddawg58
im sorry but child rape isn't something that goes up the chain of command. joe pa didn't handle it correctly the corrupt old bastard has probably been a shite human for a while.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 5:33 pm to Alahunter
The duty to report suspected sexual abuse is on the official designated by the institution, not the football coach. Once he reports it to the AD, he has no legal obligation to do anything further. The train jumped the track when these three bozos, Curley, Schultz and Spanier did only a minimal investigation and determined not to report it. They allegedly told Second Mile about the incident, who also allowed this predator to continue his actions. Second Mile financed a predator, who was their leading fundraiser. I haven't heard any demands for the resignations of their Board Members or for their criminal prosecution.
District Attorney had previously investigated Sandusky for improper contact while showering with kids and he is having unsupervised visits with them in connection with work involving a charity. C'mon man.
District Attorney had previously investigated Sandusky for improper contact while showering with kids and he is having unsupervised visits with them in connection with work involving a charity. C'mon man.
This post was edited on 11/9/11 at 5:54 pm
Posted on 11/9/11 at 5:35 pm to jddawg58
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Joepa being blamed for an institutional failure caused by the President, AD and VP of Finance? Does he have to do everybody's job on the campus.
I hate this but bottom line is if the others didn't do their jobs he had to. We are taking about a kid this can't go unsolved.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 5:36 pm to jddawg58
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You are leaping to conclusions. Paterno has never testified he was told that a child was raped. He testified that he was told about fondling or inappropriate conduct of a sexual nature occurring in a shower. McCreary has not, according to the Grand Jury report, testified that he told Paterno of a child rape. It does appear that that is what McCreary told Curley and Schultz when he met with them.
you need to give this up. a man, who was a friend of jopa's and an employee not only of psu but the athletic department, was in a shower with a young boy. IN A SHOWER WITH A YOUNG BOY. forget even the fondling or inappropriate behavior. would just the fact that a grown man was in a shower with a child not send up a little red flag?
and let's not forget that shower was on penn state property.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 5:36 pm to jddawg58
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Once he reports it to the AD, he has no legal obligation to do anything further
Legal isn't always the same as moral.
The train jumped the track when adults, turned their backs on children so that a friend, colleague, supervisor could continue to work. All of those people knew what he had done, every single one had a moral obligation to notify law enforcement. Because none did, more children suffered, and that is on them.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 5:37 pm to jddawg58
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The duty to report suspected sexual abuse is on the official designated by the institution, not the football coach
And this is the biggest load of horseshite I've ever seen. If you witness or are informed of an illegal act that is harming children, it is YOUR duty to protect that child. Not a pass the buck situation.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 5:39 pm to jddawg58
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The duty to report suspected sexual abuse is on the official designated by the institution, not the football coach. Once he reports it to the AD, he has no legal obligation to do anything further.
Everyone knows this. Paterno and the ginger can't be prosecuted for that. It doesn't change the fact that from a human decency standpoint, both of them failed miserably. Particularly the ginger who actually saw it fricking happen. Paterno at least only got a second hand account. The ginger saw it, looked the little boy in the eye, and fricking ran away. If someone shot that piece of shite tomorrow, the world would be a better place.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 5:40 pm to jddawg58
The first time some one accused Sandusky of child molestation, and I've known the guy 30+ years...I'm going to side w/ Sandusky until something substantial comes out. Accusations of being a pedophile are irreversible. The second time...and then an admission from Sandusky of inappropriate contact - I'm more skeptical. When he is banned from a HS for his actions... then when you hear that he was either fondling or having sex either way- AND IT OCCURS IN A FOOTBALL SHOWER.. Sandusky has got to go. No "taking away his keys" no use of the satellite facilities for his "Charities"..the only place is to police. No IF's AND's or BUT's about it. To have it come back 8+ years later...JoPa and the admin. should be only given enough time to clean out their belongings - I'll give them that hour. They should not be rewarded with coaching another game, or time to work on their exit compensation etc.
ETA "or" time to work on exit compensation
ETA "or" time to work on exit compensation
This post was edited on 11/9/11 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 11/9/11 at 5:41 pm to Honcho C McGregor
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time to work on their exit compensation..
Hope the victims sue and get every penny of it.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 6:02 pm to Alahunter
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I blame everyone with knowledge of what happened. When a child is raped, you don't tell your boss and just forget about it. You call the police. You don't worry about your job or career. If you do, then you're a piece of garbage. You don't let a child get raped and dismiss it, so you can save your job.
THIS.
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