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re: What if Penn St. Situation Happened At Your School?
Posted on 11/9/11 at 6:07 pm to Alahunter
Posted on 11/9/11 at 6:07 pm to Alahunter
PSU has no legal defense to any action involving an incident involving Sandusky after this one in 2002, due to their failure to report the matter to authorities. This is the real reason the Board of Trustees is up in arms, and calling for swift and decisive action.
It is the potential financial responsibility, due to potential legal liability, that has them outraged and demanding accountability. Not the Moral failure of not protecting the children.
It is the potential financial responsibility, due to potential legal liability, that has them outraged and demanding accountability. Not the Moral failure of not protecting the children.
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Posted on 11/9/11 at 6:14 pm to jddawg58
Joe Pa has no defense in failing to report it as well.
(c) Notwithstanding subsection (a), nothing in this chapter prohibits an employe who is a required reporter from making a report
I'm not going to argue the BOT reasonings at this point. They will get hammered as well and others will too that knew about what was going on. None of that lessens the responsibility Paterno had to notify authorities.
(c) Notwithstanding subsection (a), nothing in this chapter prohibits an employe who is a required reporter from making a report
I'm not going to argue the BOT reasonings at this point. They will get hammered as well and others will too that knew about what was going on. None of that lessens the responsibility Paterno had to notify authorities.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 6:19 pm to ReauxlTide222
Yep, absolutely disgusting. I would not wear my p&g until everyone was fired.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 6:35 pm to jddawg58
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PSU has no legal defense to any action involving an incident involving Sandusky after this one in 2002, due to their failure to report the matter to authorities. This is the real reason the Board of Trustees is up in arms, and calling for swift and decisive action.
this is in some measure true.
but what is, or should be, the huge motivater is the national/international perception of psu/jopa as an institution that preached doing everything the right way, not the easy way...but, when confronted with a situation that might tarnish that institution just turned a blind eye instead of doing the hard/right thing.
whether true or not, that is what is going on, not just on espn, yahoo sports...but on every major news network.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 7:07 pm to CalTiger
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Yes we would probably kick Sandusky in the nuts till he bled and then wait for someone to see the blood in the hallways but
Regarding Joe Pa - What happened to innocent till proven guilty
1. What if he were told that it was handled and taken care of? He probably was old school enough to believe that.
2. Do we know that he was not lied to - that Sandusky went to some crap treatment or whatever BS psychological crap they pull for these things.
3. The man is close to a senile 85 now and 75 then - chances are high that he really really didn't pay attention once it was out of his hand/mind.
4. I don't know if these blustering old timers really understand child molestation as anything other than spanking.
Does that mean it is an excuse - No but probably the man really wasn't thinking of worst case scenario or couldn't even envision it.
Maybe I am completely wrong and he knew but I have a tough time accepting that a standup person like Joe Pa was complicit in this muck - makes the whole thing sicker than it is and makes the world a gloomier place.
I've tried to rationalize this along these lines all day because I liked JoePa a lot, and it just doesn't hold up. The guy was informed that a child was raped on campus by a member of his staff, and not only did he not follow up, be kept working with him for years, even despite it being pretty obvious everyone knew this guy was a very bad actor.
fricking JoePa of all people...
Posted on 11/9/11 at 8:01 pm to jddawg58
I really don't understand your defense of Paterno. To think this grad assistant went to Joe and only gave him a vague idea of what he witnessed in the shower is beyond laughable, and I don't buy it for a second. Read his graphic description of what he told the police.. I would bet my life the grad assistant didn't fail to mention to Paterno that he witnessed Sandusky having anal sex with a 10 year old boy in the shower. It's that very act that freaked him out to begin with.
Paterno has had nearly a decade to make this right and tell his side of the story.. his time is up.
Paterno has had nearly a decade to make this right and tell his side of the story.. his time is up.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 9:23 pm to The ChizMan Cometh
I haven't defended JoePa. I just think he should be entitled to defend himself before he is removed. 6o years of doing the right thing should not be ignored. If he was complicit in a cover-up, if he knew of suspicious conduct and failed to report it, if he mislead investigators, I would be for his immediate removal.
I am much more pissed at Granier, Curley and Schultz than JoePa. I am also pissed at Second Mile, who continued to finance a predator (their leading fundraiser) after 2 reports of improper conduct.How they allowed him unfettered access to at risk kids is frighteningly irresponsible.
I am also mad at Penn. child protective services, who investigated Sandusky in 1998 but took no action against him even though he admitted to showering with minors and engaging in improper physical contact. Doesn't that kind of conduct get you placed on some kind of list?
I am much more pissed at Granier, Curley and Schultz than JoePa. I am also pissed at Second Mile, who continued to finance a predator (their leading fundraiser) after 2 reports of improper conduct.How they allowed him unfettered access to at risk kids is frighteningly irresponsible.
I am also mad at Penn. child protective services, who investigated Sandusky in 1998 but took no action against him even though he admitted to showering with minors and engaging in improper physical contact. Doesn't that kind of conduct get you placed on some kind of list?
This post was edited on 11/9/11 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 11/9/11 at 9:24 pm to jddawg58
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6o years of doing the right thing should not be ignored.
Not looking like that is an accurate statement.
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I am also mad at Penn. child protective services, who investigated Sandusky in 1998 but took no action against him even though he admitted to showering with minors and engaging in improper physical contact. Does't that kind of conduct get you placed on some kind of list?
Or get a head coach to not allow you to bring children to your complex and shower with them.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 9:24 pm to jddawg58
poor joe
Posted on 11/9/11 at 9:36 pm to The ChizMan Cometh
I've tried the "wait and see" approach, but I'm so disturbed by this that I want to at least comment, if not for any other reason than to get it off my chest.
I have always liked Joe Pa, so what I have to say is really tough. Legally he is clear from any wrong doing, but his morals failed him. He was told what happened and reported it, correctly, but he never inquired about the results of his report. He did just the opposite, he just went on with business as usual. This is disturbing to say the least.
As far as the GA, he witnessed a child being raped and did nothing other than report it. I really don't like the internet tough guy thing so I'll avoid that completely, but I will say this, he was a coward. It doesn't matter to me which route you choose, to fight or to flee, but what does matter to me is if you choose to flee you should be fleeing to the police in this situation.
I'm truly horrified about what has taken place at Penn State, and more horrified that there were people trying to protect the institution, the sports program, and reputations, instead of protecting the children.
I have always liked Joe Pa, so what I have to say is really tough. Legally he is clear from any wrong doing, but his morals failed him. He was told what happened and reported it, correctly, but he never inquired about the results of his report. He did just the opposite, he just went on with business as usual. This is disturbing to say the least.
As far as the GA, he witnessed a child being raped and did nothing other than report it. I really don't like the internet tough guy thing so I'll avoid that completely, but I will say this, he was a coward. It doesn't matter to me which route you choose, to fight or to flee, but what does matter to me is if you choose to flee you should be fleeing to the police in this situation.
I'm truly horrified about what has taken place at Penn State, and more horrified that there were people trying to protect the institution, the sports program, and reputations, instead of protecting the children.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 9:43 pm to jddawg58
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Once he reports it to the AD, he has no legal obligation to do anything further
Its not about legal obligations, it has to do with childrens well being. I understand you are trying to give due process its chance, but JoPa is culpable if he knew the smallest of details.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 9:45 pm to GeauxTigers580307
Yikes.. a legendary coach who will never be remembered for being a legendary coach.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 9:54 pm to TheOtherWhiteMeat
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It doesn't matter to me which route you choose, to fight or to flee, but what does matter to me is if you choose to flee you should be fleeing to the police in this situation
Nicely said.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 10:41 pm to LuciusSulla
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fricking JoePa of all people...
This. The history of college football is forever scarred. I remember not long ago tearing up reading an SI story on him and thinking 'when pa retires its truly the end of an era'. I'm sick that I liked someone that much who, at the very least, knowingly employed a pedophile.
Joe Posnanski is currently living in college station and in the middle of a book on joe pa. LINK
This post was edited on 11/9/11 at 10:48 pm
Posted on 11/9/11 at 10:55 pm to GeauxTigers580307
We here in Mississippi would have a good ole fashin lynchin
Posted on 11/9/11 at 11:50 pm to GeauxTigers580307
I would want a clean sweep of everyone in the chain of command. Entire football staff, AD and subordinates, President/chancellor. Even then it would never be the same.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 12:05 am to Jim Rockford
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I would want a clean sweep of everyone in the chain of command. Entire football staff, AD and subordinates, President/chancellor. Even then it would never be the same.
Even then to forever be tarnished, because the selfishness of a group of people putting careers above lives.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 12:25 am to GeauxTigers580307
Posted on 11/10/11 at 12:32 am to LegacyAggie
I'm not ready to jump into all out outrage at Joe Pa. This story is very new, and ESPN is hyping the shite out of it. Look at the coverage of the "riot" they had. I'm not saying Joe Pa did not frick up, but I just have a feeling Joe Pa's role in this is overblown and the media keeps fanning the flames of outrage for more viewers.
All of this could very well and would appear to be justified, but something about this doesn't seem right to me.
All of this could very well and would appear to be justified, but something about this doesn't seem right to me.
Posted on 11/10/11 at 12:48 am to Volmanac
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I'm not sure it hasn't happened at UT.
Who knows. I'm betting this story goes deeper. The real evil is that Second Mile organization. I've got a sneaking suspicion the whole purpose of that "charity" is using little boys as sex toys.
I just want to note, there has been more heat at Joe Pa than the fricking child rapist!! Does this not seem crazy to anyone else?
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