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What are the indicators that the SEC is down this year?

Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:53 am
Posted by Chicken
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Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:53 am
Two teams in the playoffs is impressive. Nine bowl eligible teams (10 if you include Ole Miss) is strong.
Is there a particular metric being used to conclude that the SEC is down?

Posted by EKG
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Posted on 12/11/17 at 11:57 am to
The national media has decided that any time an SEC team isn’t the unanimous #1-ranked team, the conference is, collectively, “down.”
Posted by dcbl
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Posted on 12/11/17 at 12:00 pm to
5 bowls on January 1

SEC is still super strong.

Posted by WG_Dawg
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Posted on 12/11/17 at 12:00 pm to
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What are the indicators that the SEC is down this year?


As a whole I don't know if it's really "down" but there are 2 reaons people may think so:

-There isn't a really dominant team like years past. During bama's run it was pretty much known across america that it was bama and everyone else seeing who was 2nd best, we don't have that this year. Despite having 2 playoffs teams nobody looks untouchable like some of those past teams.

-The bottom is truly bad. 5 teams went .500 or worse including 2 "name" teams in UF and UT. 9/14 teams had .500 or worse conference records.
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 12/11/17 at 12:01 pm to
I’m ready for Georgia to win it all

Then see how the pundits explain the Bama carries the conference” narrative
Posted by Wtodd
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Posted on 12/11/17 at 12:03 pm to
quote:

What are the indicators that the SEC is down this year?

Georgia won the East
Bama didn't win the West
Posted by Chicken
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Posted on 12/11/17 at 12:03 pm to
I am guessing the narrative mostly stems from these factors:
1. A&M blowing the game against UCLA
2. LSU losing to 10-2 Troy
3. Florida imploding

While LSU redeemed itself by winning all but one game after the Troy loss, A&M and Florida continued to stink it up.
This post was edited on 12/11/17 at 12:09 pm
Posted by hogNsinceReagan
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Posted on 12/11/17 at 12:07 pm to
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2. LSU losing to Troy


Could be that we pushed the narrative on this one...
Posted by EKG
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Posted on 12/11/17 at 12:10 pm to
I don’t agree with you that the narrative mostly stems from those three factors, but they certainly didn’t help.

In addition to the variables you cited ... Tennessee woefully underperformed, Ole Miss was plastered across the headlines in negative ways, and one-half of the conference’s coaches were on the proverbial “hot seat” throughout the season.

But—despite multiple issues that could’ve hit other conferences much harder—an argument can be made that the SEC showed great resiliency in 2017.
This post was edited on 12/11/17 at 12:14 pm
Posted by bamasgot13
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Posted on 12/11/17 at 12:14 pm to
quote:

I am guessing the narrative mostly stems from these factors:
1. A&M blowing the game against UCLA
2. LSU losing to 10-2 Troy
3. Florida imploding


I'd say those factors plus two:

1) UT and UF both being down. usually they aren't both down. It's either both up or only one down.

2) the conference perception from years past when we'd usually have 6 teams in top 25 with 4 in top 10 a few years.
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 12/11/17 at 12:14 pm to
A&M was supposed to win 7 games this year

We did

A&M didn’t overachieve or underachieve


But LSU did lose to Troy, that definitely wasn’t supposed to happen
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 12/11/17 at 12:15 pm to
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During bama's run it was



We are still there, bro.
Posted by ForeverGator
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Posted on 12/11/17 at 12:15 pm to
Because Florida is down.

/thread
Posted by Old Sarge
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Posted on 12/11/17 at 12:19 pm to
Don’t fall for it EKG!





Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 12/11/17 at 12:19 pm to
MAssey's composite has us as the #2 conference:
LINK

Scroll down to bottom
Posted by HarryBalzack
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 12/11/17 at 12:20 pm to
Yankees have to come up with these kinds of excuses to feel better about themselves and their laughable conferences.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 12/11/17 at 12:21 pm to
quote:

The national media has decided that any time an SEC team isn’t the unanimous #1-ranked team, the conference is, collectively, “down.”



This is the answer. No team has sustained a run where people thought they were clearly the best team in the country. Which is a ridiculous standard to use, of course.
Posted by allin2010
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Posted on 12/11/17 at 12:23 pm to
Out of conference record is average. Top heavy conference.
Posted by madmaxvol
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Posted on 12/11/17 at 12:26 pm to
Not sure what the norm is...but there were coaching searches going on at: Tennessee, Arkansas, Florida, Texas A&M, Mississippi State and Ole Miss.

That is 6 of 14 teams (42%) that have searched for a new coach since the end of the season. Technically, Ole Miss has conducted 2 coaching searches since July...but the second one was just for show. That lack of stability might indicate a "down year" for most conferences.
Posted by Scoob
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Posted on 12/11/17 at 12:31 pm to
Down vs other seasons-

#1 in the ranking/seed isn't from the SEC (SEC usually #1 going back to the BCS era; the goal had been to "knock off" the SEC team. Isn't the case this playoff).

Perception of vulnerability/transitive property: there are 2 teams, yes. Both lost games to Auburn in fairly convincing manner. Clemson beat Auburn, and Auburn also lost another game (LSU). This ties into the first reason.

Big 6 and A&M overall didn't perform to standards. This is the "depth" argument, that the SEC forges in fire by having a brutal stretch of games for teams to run.
LSU lost at home to a Sun Belt team, A&M lost a couple extra games compared to prior seasons, 2 time East champ Florida (usually a marquee team) collapsed and fired their coach, Tennessee regressed and went winless in conference when last season they had supposed to have "returned to prominence", etc.

It's a strange season, really- EVERYBODY is down. With the SEC showing it's not an NFL division, you'd think there would be a lot of other teams making waves, but USC, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan and Florida State all failed to reach their goals too. Wisconsin made a run in the Big 10, but showed that like always, they don't have the athletes to be elite. Miami resurged, but that looked like smoke and mirrors against Clemson.

Bowl eligibility is not always the great indicator of strength; you just need to get to 6 wins, which is considered mediocre for most good programs.

I still think Georgia/Auburn/Alabama is the best top tier, ahead of the Big 10 with Ohio State and Wisconsin. Other conferences might match or surpass us at the next tier, that of good/not elite teams. The skewed perception of "down" is because the SEC used to have both the single best, and the best overall group.
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