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Posted on 5/17/12 at 5:42 pm to JPLSU1981
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the new contract will get $20million for Tier1/2 (that's with the current 10 teams ... with 12+, it will jump to $23-$25mil).
That's if they are able to renegotiate a much larger contract. For that much of a bump they would need to add up to 100 million to their current 200 million contract. Do you think fsu and Clemson add 100 million in value to the big 12.
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 5:43 pm to busey
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HOLY shite YOU JUST DID IT AGAIN!
I didn't say what you just quoted, dumb arse.
you realize I am doing this on purpose now dont you?
again, if you think its impossible to understand who is being responded to when they are directly quoted b/c a simple feature here (that is on few other websites) tells you that you are technically directly responding to somebody you need help.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 5:45 pm to Dr RC
It's for people that haven't been following the whole thread. It's really not a hard concept to comprehend.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 5:45 pm to JPLSU1981
The inherent problem with the Tier 3 generation in the Big 12 is that a Big 12 Network is not viable. This is primarily because the LHN contract contains a stipulation that UTexas cannot put their sporting evenets or related content on any other channel besides the LHN.
So what you have is basically Texas with it's own channel, and the Big 12 trying to sell a network with clips from all the other schools. Once OU starts a network, every school in that conference not named Texas or OU is going to get monkeyfricked because they won't be able to keep pace with Texas or OU in their own conference, let alone what the ACC, SEC, PAC12, B1G get with their conference network bonuses.
One more reason that A&M is happy to be here.
So what you have is basically Texas with it's own channel, and the Big 12 trying to sell a network with clips from all the other schools. Once OU starts a network, every school in that conference not named Texas or OU is going to get monkeyfricked because they won't be able to keep pace with Texas or OU in their own conference, let alone what the ACC, SEC, PAC12, B1G get with their conference network bonuses.
One more reason that A&M is happy to be here.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 5:46 pm to busey
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busey
Damn you take this stuff too seriously. Might need to take another self imposed break there champ
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 5:47 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
Naw I'm good.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 5:47 pm to NYCAuburn
FSU and Clemson are definitey a good grab for the Big12 (new states, and a huge TV state in Florida), but you also have to remember that adding them reinstates the Big12 championship game, which adds quite a bit of value in-and-of itself. Adding Florida market to the Big12 is huge monetarily.
Also, the CBS rumors about the new Big12 contract being $20 million at 10 teams are starting to appear a little low ... the new rumors are that the contract is actually about $22million (and that's with ONLY 10 teams and no CCG). And again, that's just the base Tier1/2 contract....That does NOT include Tier3, which FSU and Clemson would certainly be able to get $3-$5million additional money from. (and which they currently can't do anything with in the ACC)
Make no mistake, the whole reason this FSU/Clemson to the Big12 has come up is simple: $$$. If the money was equal or close, FSU and Clemson would laugh at the Big12 (this would not even be a story). But it's really not even close, which is why they've been presented with an opportunity that really is just too good to pass up given what SEC teams will soon be pulling in.
Also, the CBS rumors about the new Big12 contract being $20 million at 10 teams are starting to appear a little low ... the new rumors are that the contract is actually about $22million (and that's with ONLY 10 teams and no CCG). And again, that's just the base Tier1/2 contract....That does NOT include Tier3, which FSU and Clemson would certainly be able to get $3-$5million additional money from. (and which they currently can't do anything with in the ACC)
Make no mistake, the whole reason this FSU/Clemson to the Big12 has come up is simple: $$$. If the money was equal or close, FSU and Clemson would laugh at the Big12 (this would not even be a story). But it's really not even close, which is why they've been presented with an opportunity that really is just too good to pass up given what SEC teams will soon be pulling in.
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Posted on 5/17/12 at 5:53 pm to JPLSU1981
I like all the expansion talk if for nothing else to piss off the old school old guard drama queens of the SEC. Fanning themselves on their front porches saying shite like ' well I nevah' and 'well I dee clare'.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 5:56 pm to cityhog
Posted on 5/17/12 at 5:58 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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busey
Posted on 5/17/12 at 6:00 pm to Dr RC
Somebody please enlighten me. Exactly what does a school with high academic credentials bring to an athletic conference (other than the B1G, where research money is shared)? Is it for bragging rights or what?
I read an article on South Carolina about a year ago that Spurrier had asked the SC administration to lower their entry standards for athletes so they could compete in the SEC. There has always been a double standard when it comes to scholarship athletes most everywhere, so why is it so important to have an affiliation with schools that are upper rung academically, when the athletic dept doesn't give a shite otherwise?
I read an article on South Carolina about a year ago that Spurrier had asked the SC administration to lower their entry standards for athletes so they could compete in the SEC. There has always been a double standard when it comes to scholarship athletes most everywhere, so why is it so important to have an affiliation with schools that are upper rung academically, when the athletic dept doesn't give a shite otherwise?
Posted on 5/17/12 at 6:03 pm to Big12fan
Perhaps the only thing I will ever agree with you on. IDGAF about a school's academic reputation in regards to an athletic conference. Rice is in a conference with UTEP and Marshall. It's still a top 25 university in the country and everybody knows this.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 6:09 pm to Big12fan
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I read an article on South Carolina about a year ago that Spurrier had asked the SC administration to lower their entry standards for athletes so they could compete in the SEC.
If Carolina had a higher entrance standard than the rest of the SEC, Spurrier has the right to demand the school provide him the same oppurtunity to compete.
If Carolina already had the same entrance standard as the rest of SEC, Spurrier was trying to get a unfair advantage by lowering the admission bar
Posted on 5/17/12 at 6:31 pm to JPLSU1981
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FSU and Clemson are definitey a good grab for the Big12 (new states, and a huge TV state in Florida), but you also have to remember that adding them reinstates the Big12 championship game, which adds quite a bit of value in-and-of itself. Adding Florida market to the Big12 is huge monetarily.
Also, the CBS rumors about the new Big12 contract being $20 million at 10 teams are starting to appear a little low ... the new rumors are that the contract is actually about $22million (and that's with ONLY 10 teams and no CCG). And again, that's just the base Tier1/2 contract....That does NOT include Tier3, which FSU and Clemson would certainly be able to get $3-$5million additional money from. (and which they currently can't do anything with in the ACC)
Make no mistake, the whole reason this FSU/Clemson to the Big12 has come up is simple: $$$. If the money was equal or close, FSU and Clemson would laugh at the Big12 (this would not even be a story). But it's really not even close, which is why they've been presented with an opportunity that really is just too good to pass up given what SEC teams will soon be pulling in.
+1
I kinda thought this was obvious but from the responses I've seen it seems like it is not
Even with the ACC being about the 5th best BCS conference their teams would not be looking at joining the Big 12 unless the money difference were significant - it appears that the difference in income will be very significant
Posted on 5/17/12 at 6:34 pm to JPLSU1981
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Also, the CBS rumors about the new Big12 contract being $20 million at 10 teams are starting to appear a little low ... the new rumors are that the contract is actually about $22million (and that's with ONLY 10 teams and no CCG). And again, that's just the base Tier1/2 contract....That does NOT include Tier3, which FSU and Clemson would certainly be able to get $3-$5million additional money from. (and which they currently can't do anything with in the ACC)
If $22 million is the starting point for a 10-team conference with no CCG, what could Slive get for a 14-team conference with a CCG? (And should he wait a few months to see if it becomes a 16-team conference?)
Posted on 5/17/12 at 6:39 pm to Big12fan
Didn't Texas use the academics in the SEC as an excuse back in the great re-alignment scare of 2010 when they decided that absconding to the Pac 10 (or even the ACC) was better because of the respective academic pedigree in either conference? In truth, it's all about posturing so that School A can justify it's reason to move to a new conference in the eyes of its fans.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 7:33 pm to OldSulRoss
So if we snag Va Tech who is the 16th?
My Picks
Clemson (My favorite ACC school and has Auburn, USCe, and Georgia as rivals)
Florida State (Great pick up if the Big XII doesn't get them and add a little more prestige)
Duke (Great basketball school and great on the academics)
Virgina (A nice little package deal with big brother)
North Carolina (Solid basketball and good tv market)
Oklahoma (Highly doubtful, but almost happened a couple years ago. Would be a damn fine pick up)
My Picks
Clemson (My favorite ACC school and has Auburn, USCe, and Georgia as rivals)
Florida State (Great pick up if the Big XII doesn't get them and add a little more prestige)
Duke (Great basketball school and great on the academics)
Virgina (A nice little package deal with big brother)
North Carolina (Solid basketball and good tv market)
Oklahoma (Highly doubtful, but almost happened a couple years ago. Would be a damn fine pick up)
This post was edited on 5/17/12 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 5/17/12 at 7:53 pm to dawgfan24348
I want UVA so it gives me an excuse to go to Charlottesville every other fall...I think it's a great college town.
Posted on 5/17/12 at 8:26 pm to TideSaint
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If they are the 15th team, who'd be the 16th team?
North Carolina?
I would love to get either UVA or UNC, but it would probably be NC State.
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