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Posted on 5/18/12 at 9:55 am to HoLeInOnEr05
Posted on 5/18/12 at 9:55 am to HoLeInOnEr05
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Aren't you the same guy who pull for UNC basketball too?
2-13 or 14 some shite like that
No im a WVU hoops fan i grew up with UNC parents and a fan so i don't mind seeing them win but thats about it. Once i stepped on wvu's campus that was my team
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Posted on 5/18/12 at 10:06 am to Quidam65
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SEC will not add a second school in a state.
Is this a new policy since the SEC offered FSU with Arkansas when the league went to 12?
Posted on 5/18/12 at 10:07 am to BreakawayZou83
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I just don't see the animosity from A&M fans (or Mizzou fans) towards OU like there is towards Texas.
There's no animosity between A&M and OU like there is between A&M and Texas. And OU will recruit well in Texas (mainly DFW due to proximity). On that we agree.
But with A&M's move to the SEC it gained a unique competitive advantage over both Texas and OU--the ability to offer Texas high-school recruits the opportunity to play in the SEC while staying in state. It would not be in their best interests to allow OU--a nationally prominent program--to gain that same edge.
Posted on 5/18/12 at 10:22 am to Rig
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None of them would get in today if they were in another conference. Though we would argue about Auburn like we are about FSU.
You're fricking me right?
No.
This whole argument about potential SEC expansion must be looked at in light of the strong probability that the soon-to-be renegotiated SEC contract may very well include the launch of an SEC Network cable channel. And cable channel fees are negotiated with cable providers on the basis of cable subscribers in that provider's territory. It does not matter what team a subscriber supports, or even if the subscriber watches sports at all.
This is why the A&M move was a no-brainer--adding two of the top 10 media markets (DFW and Houston) greatly expands the footprint of a planned channel. And that's why Mizzou got the nod over West Virginia--WVU has the historically stronger program but Mizzou has the footprint of the STL and KC markets, both of which are larger than what WVU could provide.
So if you had a scenario where the SEC only had one member school in the state of Alabama (and it doesn't matter which one), in light of a new cable channel network and trying to expand the footprint they would not try to add a second school, especially given Alabama is a small state. Same with Mississippi and Tennessee.
Posted on 5/18/12 at 10:24 am to BreakawayZou83
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I just don't see the animosity from A&M fans (or Mizzou fans) towards OU like there is towards Texas.
OU didn't try to get A&M shutdown.
A&M was created by the Texas legislature in 1871 as the first public university in the state. Hell, Prairie View is older than texas. The 1876 Texas Constitution created a 'university of the first class' and made A&M a branch of that university. A&M, thankfully, never ended up under that system and has always had its own board of regents.
The Texas legislature in 1931, and a constitutional amendment, split the Permanent University Fund so that 2/3 goes to Texas, 1/3 to A&M even though the Universities are almost identical in enrollment now.
F texas.
This post was edited on 5/18/12 at 10:26 am
Posted on 5/18/12 at 10:25 am to TeLeFaWx
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I would be adamantely opposed to OU. DFW kids would funnel to them like a black hole. No. No. No. No. No. Do. Not. Want.
Right. A&M has an advantage (SEC competition) which the historically-stronger OU can't offer. You can't keep someone from beating you up but you don't have to supply the club.
Posted on 5/18/12 at 10:28 am to Quidam65
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But with A&M's move to the SEC it gained a unique competitive advantage over both Texas and OU--the ability to offer Texas high-school recruits the opportunity to play in the SEC while staying in state. It would not be in their best interests to allow OU--a nationally prominent program--to gain that same edge.
Absolutely correct.
Besides, I don't think OU brings much outside of program prestige for football/baseball anyway, which the SEC already has in spades. It's not a top 100 school academically or an AAU university, and all it can deliver is the Oklahoma market and DFW markets, and A&M is already netting you DFW.
If anything, the SEC should expand in the east, add two like VT and NCState. Mizzou then moves to the West and the conference map makes sense again, and the SEC gets two new states in the television footprint.
The question is going to be how two 8 team mini-super conferences would work. At that point, does the SEC go to West, Central, North, and East division of 4 a-piece?
Posted on 5/18/12 at 10:30 am to OldSulRoss
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Is this a new policy since the SEC offered FSU with Arkansas when the league went to 12?
It's not as much a policy as much as it seems to be the way the SEC is going, and as I've explained it all has to do with the probability of the new SEC Network cable channel.
IIRC, the Big Ten Network has a two-tiered fee structure, a higher fee for areas where they have a B1G school in or nearby and a lower fee for other areas. So that's why Pitt would not be considered for expansion--Penn State already has the area covered for footprint (and higher fee) purposes. But UVA would be since there is no B1G school nearby and to the extent any Virginia cable providers are offering BTN they're paying the lower fee--add UVA and you can increase the fee.
Posted on 5/18/12 at 10:33 am to Quidam65
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But UVA would be since there is no B1G school nearby and to the extent any Virginia cable providers are offering BTN they're paying the lower fee--add UVA and you can increase the fee.
The B1G network is part of most sports packages already in the DC area
Posted on 5/18/12 at 10:35 am to Quidam65
Can you ever see the SEC acting defensively and taking a school like FSU in order to keep it from falling to the B12, even though Florida is already covered?
Posted on 5/18/12 at 10:38 am to OldSulRoss
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Besides, I don't think OU brings much outside of program prestige for football/baseball anyway, which the SEC already has in spades. It's not a top 100 school academically or an AAU university, and all it can deliver is the Oklahoma market and DFW markets, and A&M is already netting you DFW.
Agreed. None of the Oklahoma markets are top 25 I don't think (my list which I copied from Killian Russell's earlier post on another thread is at home).
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If anything, the SEC should expand in the east, add two like VT and NCState. Mizzou then moves to the West and the conference map makes sense again, and the SEC gets two new states in the television footprint
Bingo. VT brings you access into the DC market (#9 overall) and IIRC Charlotte is either top 20 or top 25, with Raleigh-Durham (Research Triangle) in the top 30 (both of which you get with NCST).
Posted on 5/18/12 at 10:41 am to Quidam65
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This is why the A&M move was a no-brainer--adding two of the top 10 media markets (DFW and Houston) greatly expands the footprint of a planned channel. And that's why Mizzou got the nod over West Virginia--WVU has the historically stronger program but Mizzou has the footprint of the STL and KC markets, both of which are larger than what WVU could provide.
don't tell Mizzou fans that
Posted on 5/18/12 at 10:43 am to StraightCashHomey21
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The B1G network is part of most sports packages already in the DC area
I get the B1G Network here in DFW. It's not a matter of adding the network, it's a matter of how much they can charge per subscriber.
Posted on 5/18/12 at 10:45 am to Quidam65
Washington DC is closer to Penn State than Philadelphia
Posted on 5/18/12 at 10:45 am to Quidam65
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Bingo. VT brings you access into the DC market
The DC market is full of SEC football fans. With the area full of transplants the DC market is saturated with many different schools no team own the DC market. shite my last fall in 2010 before leaving for the AF something like 3 VT games where not even on TV in the DC area
Posted on 5/18/12 at 10:47 am to KillianRussell
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Washington DC is closer to Penn State than Philadelphia
yup only 3 hours
VT is 4
UVA is 2 1/2
WVU is 3
UNC/NC State/Duke is 4
Posted on 5/18/12 at 10:47 am to Quidam65
The DC "market" is not loyal to the region, the metro area is made up of transplants loyal to wherever home was
Posted on 5/18/12 at 10:48 am to OldSulRoss
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Can you ever see the SEC acting defensively and taking a school like FSU in order to keep it from falling to the B12, even though Florida is already covered?
If you recall the original PAC-16 expansion plan, it would have had an absolute hammerlock on Texas TV markets (since clearly Texas, A&M, and Tech command the lion's share of college football viewers in the state). The SEC would have been severely limited--who's going to watch the SEC Network to see UH, Rice, TCU, SMU, or Baylor?
So it is possible. Except that under the Big 12 plan schools keep Tier 3 rights (the LHN no one can get), while under the SEC plan they may be part of the new SEC Network channel. There may not be the incentive or need to keep out a competitor.
Posted on 5/18/12 at 10:50 am to Quidam65
Without googling I would guess Va Tech's enrollment almost doubles UVA
Posted on 5/18/12 at 10:51 am to KillianRussell
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The DC "market" is not loyal to the region, the metro area is made up of transplants loyal to wherever home was
yup some people in SEC land don't understand this, good thing there are other DC posters who can back this up
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