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re: USCe Fans...how do you feel about Will Muschamp?
Posted on 7/29/19 at 12:15 pm to scrooster
Posted on 7/29/19 at 12:15 pm to scrooster
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I honestly believe he is building something special and is going to win a lot of games here.
My honest opinion? I think he will blow up and have a great career at USCe. Can he win a NC? I don't know. But he will have an excellent career, imo.
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Posted on 7/29/19 at 12:18 pm to Sandwich
It seems like they are happy with him . I think he only averages 7 wins a year and will be lucky to get more then that this year . Hopefully he sticks around at USCe for a long time . He will never be able to be as good as Spurrier was there. His seat will get warm after this season and really hot after 2020. He has followed his path at UF so far . Ok first season lucky second year and 3rd year went back to reality . He has had one good year at UF and USC.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 12:20 pm to slayerxing
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This thread is funny. Spurrier won more games at South Carolina than any coach in their entire history and had the highest win percentage of any coach with more than 20 games coached. He also won 11 games three years running at the height of sec power. No other coach at South Carolina had ever won 11 and winning 10 had only happened once in their entire history.
Yet somehow spurrier sucks and muschamp is a better coach... wow
It's a question of shades of gray - Spurrier was an excellent coach that knew how to build winning teams, while Muschamp hasn't yet proven that, although IMO he has proven to be capable of building quality defenses as a coordinator.
What positives Muschamp has, is he's young who seems to want very much to be a head coach in CFB, not just a coordinator. He hasn't already secured his spot in the CFB HOF, compared to Holtz and Spurrier - Holtz just seemed to want to get USC to at least a bowl game, then he wanted his son to take over, while Spurrier did genuinely want to show he still "had it" as a college HC, after his NFL stint bombed. But it took Spurrier longer than he expected, and after all he was getting old.
Muschamp is young, and if he is going to prove himself as a HEAD COACH in CFB, it's probably going to happen at South Carolina. So IMO he's got that drive that Holtz and Spurrier had in their younger years, when they made their careers. At places NOT named South Carolina.
That's what I want: a staff that's got some youth, and hunger to prove themselves AS coaches at USC. A staff that appreciates and knows the benefit of working hard at recruiting, and doesn't want things dropped into their laps - mostly because that ain't happening at South Carolina. Not now, anyways.
So, everything that Spurrier did for the program positively, he actually did, and I credit him for doing it. He truly is our winning-est HC. But he also dropped the program down - he didn't leave while the program was at it's zenith, and he didn't try hard to keep the program high when it dropped from it. He just let it run itself into the ground underneath him, while he rode it down.
The moment that fact hit me, it hit me hard: the off-season for 2014, after we went 11-2 for the final time in 2013, and finished ranked #4 nationally. Had there been a CFP that season, we'd have played in it. But as we were heading towards 2014, the news came out from our DC Lorenzo Ward that we were going to the 3-4 as our base defense. This from a defensive coach that only knew the 4-3, with a staff that mostly had a history of coaching the 4-3.
We were going to use the 3-4, because we had a lot of LBs but no DEs. We were going to convert a lot of smaller LBs - who were recruited with the Spur hybrid in mind - a hybrid LB-Safety who needed to be smaller, quicker LBs - into the type of larger OLBs or WDEs to take the place of our missing DEs. And why were we thin at the DE position? Because our staff didn't go out and recruit the players for our defense. They just stopped working.
A program that was in the top 4 in the nation, to being a program that didn't have the players to run the defense our staff was experienced in running? That's when I knew Spurrier wasn't running the ship any more.
The Gamecock fanbase has been through a lot during the program's history. Even with the success Spurrier brought the program, it didn't deserve him running it down, then walking away from it in mid-season. The program nor it's fanbase doesn't deserve that. And Spurrier always liked to say, that you're only as good as your last game....
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 12:29 pm
Posted on 7/29/19 at 12:22 pm to Sandwich
5 straight losses to Clemson
5 straight losses to Kentucky
5 straight losses to A&M
4 straight losses to UGA
Completely unacceptable imo.
5 straight losses to Kentucky
5 straight losses to A&M
4 straight losses to UGA
Completely unacceptable imo.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 12:24 pm to Sandwich
How do I feel about Muschamp? He’s okay. I’m looking forward to a coach leaving the program and the new guy that comes in doesn’t have to start from scratch.
Set up the next guy.
Muschamp is serviceable, but he doesn’t have “it”
Set up the next guy.
Muschamp is serviceable, but he doesn’t have “it”
Posted on 7/29/19 at 12:31 pm to ConwayGamecock
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What positives Muschamp has, is he's young who seems to want very much to be a head coach in CFB, not just a coordinator. He hasn't already secured his spot in the CFB HOF, compared to Holtz and Spurrier - Holtz just seemed to want to get USC to at least a bowl game, then he wanted his son to take over, while Spurrier did genuinely want to show he still "had it" as a college HC, after his NFL stint bombed. But it took Spurrier longer than he expected, and after all he was getting old.
Muschamp is young, and if he is going to prove himself as a HEAD COACH in CFB, it's probably going to happen at South Carolina. So IMO he's got that drive that Holtz and Spurrier had in their younger years, when they made their careers. At places NOT named South Carolina.
That's what I want: a staff that's got some youth, and hunger to prove themselves AS coaches at USC
This is another good point. If Muschamp is able to have any kind of big success here I hope that he stays here long-term and denies any interest from bigger programs as a reward for us giving him his 2nd chance after his UF tenure.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 12:34 pm to tjv305
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It seems like they are happy with him . I think he only averages 7 wins a year and will be lucky to get more then that this year . Hopefully he sticks around at USCe for a long time . He will never be able to be as good as Spurrier was there. His seat will get warm after this season and really hot after 2020. He has followed his path at UF so far . Ok first season lucky second year and 3rd year went back to reality . He has had one good year at UF and USC.
Yep, and Steve Spurrier would only be at South Carolina for 3-4 years, until he grew frustrated with not winning like he wanted, and leave to go elsewhere like Alabama, LSU, or Tennessee. And then Spurrier - once he started winning - would only be there for 2-3 more years because he was too old and wanted to go golfing.
Eventually, even a broke watch is right two times a day. Just keep saying it, and eventually it'll happen, right??
Posted on 7/29/19 at 12:42 pm to Lonnie Utah
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People might disagree, but I think he's got a better football mind that Spurrier.
I would disagree, as would 98% of everyone who knows anything about football.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 12:50 pm to ConwayGamecock
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The moment that fact hit me, it hit me hard: the off-season for 2014, after we went 11-2 for the final time in 2013, and finished ranked #4 nationally. Had there been a CFP that season, we'd have played in it.
No way. Y’all were 8th in the final regular season poll.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 1:28 pm to djsdawg
Will is doing a really good job. I think he’s a great match for USC to have some long term sustainable success. USC admin have the patience to give him a real shot and building something in Columbia, and I believe he will.
They were riddled with injuries last season, which set them back in the win column, but they have consistently improved in recruiting and facilities, which he has his hands all over.
South Carolina has a top notch S/T Coach in Coach Dillman and an excellent nutrition center and staff. He is highly respected among players and staff and is doing a good job helping raise money for the program.
They have a really rough schedule this season, but I believe they suprise some folks. 9 wins and the Butkus award winner. (TJ Brunson) Ton of momentum heading into 2020.
They were riddled with injuries last season, which set them back in the win column, but they have consistently improved in recruiting and facilities, which he has his hands all over.
South Carolina has a top notch S/T Coach in Coach Dillman and an excellent nutrition center and staff. He is highly respected among players and staff and is doing a good job helping raise money for the program.
They have a really rough schedule this season, but I believe they suprise some folks. 9 wins and the Butkus award winner. (TJ Brunson) Ton of momentum heading into 2020.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 1:51 pm to Sandwich
For the record I feel great about him.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 2:06 pm to DannyByGodFord
Go back to the first few years of Dabo in the upstate and Carolina fans wanted him to get a lifetime contract. Things change.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 2:26 pm to Sandwich
He's overmatched, and gets outcoached routinely. He's a good guy, a decent ambassador, and a hard worker.
But 7-5 will be his typical cadence, with an occasional 9-win season thrown in. In essence, he's the epitome of Carolina football.
Nothing special. But this is a hard job with weak administration. A better coach, such as a Herman, would bide their time and wait for a better job. We've seen it happen.
But 7-5 will be his typical cadence, with an occasional 9-win season thrown in. In essence, he's the epitome of Carolina football.
Nothing special. But this is a hard job with weak administration. A better coach, such as a Herman, would bide their time and wait for a better job. We've seen it happen.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 2:35 pm to ConwayGamecock
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The moment that fact hit me, it hit me hard: the off-season for 2014, after we went 11-2 for the final time in 2013, and finished ranked #4 nationally. Had there been a CFP that season, we'd have played in it. But as we were heading towards 2014, the news came out from our DC Lorenzo Ward that we were going to the 3-4 as our base defense. This from a defensive coach that only knew the 4-3, with a staff that mostly had a history of coaching the 4-3.
Uh... That's not really how that works..
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Being ranked 4th after the bowl games are played doesn't re-invent bowl selection process. There were 6 teams ranked ahead of you with fewer losses and a Stanford team who had played a monster schedule with the same # of losses. Barring an 8 team playoff, Carolina wasn't going to a playoff.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 3:24 pm to scrooster
His change in 96 was getting tougher on defense more than anything. Made his teams more physical after Frazier raped us.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 3:30 pm to SOSFAN
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Lonnie, I have asked the SC mods to have you drug tested.
Or maybe
Posted on 7/29/19 at 3:36 pm to djsdawg
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No way. Y’all were 8th in the final regular season poll.
We finished the season ranked 4th in 2013. Mizzou was 5th.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 3:43 pm to scrooster
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We finished the season ranked 4th in 2013. Mizzou was 5th.
Not one person has said otherwise... In Conway's post he said specifically:
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finished ranked #4 nationally. Had there been a CFP that season, we'd have played in it
It simply isn't accurate by any reasonable standard. See my post above with the linked rankings at the end of the regular season (which would have determined playoff entrants).
Posted on 7/29/19 at 3:51 pm to fibonaccisquared
Gotcha
I misread it.
I misread it.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 4:12 pm to ConwayGamecock
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Yep, and Steve Spurrier would only be at South Carolina for 3-4 years, until he grew frustrated with not winning like he wanted, and leave to go elsewhere like Alabama, LSU, or Tennessee. And then Spurrier - once he started winning - would only be there for 2-3 more years because he was too old and wanted to go golfing. Eventually, even a broke watch is right two times a day. Just keep saying it, and eventually it'll happen, right??
What do I need to keep saying for it to come true? So you think Muschamp is going to be able to have (3) 11-2(6-2) seasons at USCe? How many games do you think this joke is going to win this season? He is already averaging 7 wins a year and a .500 record in conference play and heading into a year that could be ugly.
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