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USCe Fans...how do you feel about Will Muschamp?
Posted on 7/29/19 at 7:52 am
Posted on 7/29/19 at 7:52 am
Ok so the guy struggles at UF. I think the universal idea was he was going to learn from that shite and come in and use what he learned to help you guys win.
I wouldn't say he has done a bad job. Yall's new facilities are incredible so I know HE knows what it takes to win and thats recruiting, but do you guys think he is really the guy to take on Clemson and even the playing field in the EAST?
or do most consider him to be a placeholder of sorts until the next thing?
I'm just curious as I don't see or hear a lot of bitching about him so I was wondering whats the consensus.
I wouldn't say he has done a bad job. Yall's new facilities are incredible so I know HE knows what it takes to win and thats recruiting, but do you guys think he is really the guy to take on Clemson and even the playing field in the EAST?
or do most consider him to be a placeholder of sorts until the next thing?
I'm just curious as I don't see or hear a lot of bitching about him so I was wondering whats the consensus.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 7:57 am to Sandwich
He just got Feaster from Clemson. I'm pretty pleased with him at the present moment.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 7:59 am to Sandwich
People might disagree, but I think he's got a better football mind that Spurrier. He's playing catch up with a lot of the teams around him and that's not an easy job.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 8:01 am to Sandwich
I honestly believe he is building something special and is going to win a lot of games here.
Hardest working coach we have ever had. Has put together a helluva recruiting staff.
Needs to start winning some games he's not supposed to win and, when he does, I'll consider him having taken the next step.
The guy is very competitive, very driven, and his family and he appear to love it here.
Hardest working coach we have ever had. Has put together a helluva recruiting staff.
Needs to start winning some games he's not supposed to win and, when he does, I'll consider him having taken the next step.
The guy is very competitive, very driven, and his family and he appear to love it here.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 8:02 am to Lonnie Utah
quote:Ok so your going to have to explain that one lol
People might disagree, but I think he's got a better football mind that Spurrier. He's playing catch up with a lot of the teams around him and that's not an easy job.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 8:14 am to Gordy
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People might disagree, but I think he's got a better football mind that Spurrier.
Spurrier had an excellent feel for how to call a game offensively based upon the demeanor of the other team. But as a X's and O's coach and breaking down what the other team was doing, I think was one of his weaknesses. Obviously, calling defenses was never his strong point, we'll just outscore you. He developed a great offense in the 1990's and never really progressed it past that point. His Florida players said he was still calling the same plays they ran in the 1990's at SC in the 2010's...
Have you ever watch Muschamp break down film? He has a great understanding of the game. A very detailed oriented coach. Much more so than Spurrier ever was.
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If Muschamp could "learn" Spurrier's "feel" for how the game is progressing he'd be a great coach. Right now, at time, I feels he's to formulaic.
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 8:27 am
Posted on 7/29/19 at 8:18 am to CarolinaGamecock99
Ditto. Im still confident he can get the job done and his recruiting is slowly but surely refilling the cupboard that was left bear in Spurrier’s last years as our two biggest rivals - UGA and Clemson - had skyrocketed, but overall it’s kind of still TBD.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 8:18 am to Lonnie Utah
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People might disagree, but I think he's got a better football mind that Spurrier
And by "people" you mean everyone on earth, right?
Posted on 7/29/19 at 8:21 am to DawgTired
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And by "people" you mean everyone on earth, right?
I have put forth my explanation above. Feel free to agree or disagree with it.
I'm not saying Muschamp doesn't have his fault's or is a better coach that Spurrier. I said that from an X's and O's perspective that I think Muschamp is superior.
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 8:27 am
Posted on 7/29/19 at 8:29 am to Lonnie Utah
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s. Obviously, calling defenses was never his strong point, we'll just outscore you
Why would he call defenses? He's an offensive prodigy. He had the foresight to hire Stoops and they won a national championship.
Same for Muschamp on the other side of the coin. His weakness at UF was offense.
Spurrier changed the face of the SEC and college football with his offense. Muschamp called some great defenses at Auburn, Texas, and UF, but he hasn't left a wake like Spurrier and I'm not sure he's put it all together yet as HC.
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 8:30 am
Posted on 7/29/19 at 8:30 am to Lonnie Utah
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I said that from an X's and O's perspective that I think Muschamp is superior
You are free to cling to that opinion. I think you're going to be alone on an island with this one.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 8:30 am to Lonnie Utah
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I have put forth my explanation above. Feel free to agree or disagree with it
I think everyone would disagree with it. You boil it down to essentially "spurrier knew how to call plays and never changed". You leave out the fact that it took at LEAST 4-5 years for people to even realize wtf their offense was doing, and even after it was figured out it was still successful all the way til he retired in 2001. Then, he led south fricking carolina to 3 straight top 10 seasons with double digit wins.
muschamp hasn't proven anythign even remotely close to that.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 8:31 am to Leto II
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Spurrier changed the face of the SEC and college football with his offense
I will not disagree with this. But he never innovated past that point even as defenses progressed to counter what he had developed.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 8:37 am to WG_Dawg
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I think everyone would disagree with it. You boil it down to essentially "spurrier knew how to call plays and never changed". You leave out the fact that it took at LEAST 4-5 years for people to even realize wtf their offense was doing, and even after it was figured out it was still successful all the way til he retired in 2001. Then, he led south fricking carolina to 3 straight top 10 seasons with double digit wins.
muschamp hasn't proven anythign even remotely close to that.
You're getting what I was trying to say twisted (probably because I didn't make what I was trying to say clear enough).
Do I think Muschamp is a superior coach to Steve Spurrier. No.
Do I think Muschamp has a better understanding of the nuts and bolts of the game? Yes.
But there is also this. Will Muschamp's first 3 years were better than Steve Spurrier's. Spurrier was 21-16 and Muschamp was 22-17. And arguable Muschamp started from a deeper hole than Spurrier with regards to talent.
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Posted on 7/29/19 at 8:46 am to Lonnie Utah
Steve Spurrier won at Duke.
Duke.
Spurrier was a better coach than Muschamp in every conceivable way.
Duke.
Spurrier was a better coach than Muschamp in every conceivable way.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 8:50 am to DawgTired
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Steve Spurrier won at Duke.
I'll give you this one.
Posted on 7/29/19 at 8:53 am to Lonnie Utah
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But there is also this. Will Muschamp's first 3 years were better than Steve Spurrier's. Spurrier was 21-16 and Muschamp was 22-17. And arguable Muschamp started from a deeper hole than Spurrier with regards
this is beyond irrelevant. I'm not sure I'd necessarily agree wiht your last part either. At the end spurrier had basically given up and thrown in the towel, but the state of the program as a whole (not ot meniton to the top to bottom roster) was FAR better when mushcamp took over than when spurrier came in trying to clean up holtz's mess.
Also you know they've coached at the same school more than once right? spurrier was 28-8 his first 3 years at UF while muschamp was 22-16.
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Do I think Muschamp has a better understanding of the nuts and bolts of the game? Yes.
I'm just not sure if there's any quantifiable evidence to support this. Both played in the SEC. Both have coached in the SEC. They both know more about football than we'll ever hope to know. I don't see how you can poin tto anything in particular and say "muschamp is better at understanding [blank] than spurrier"
Posted on 7/29/19 at 8:55 am to Sandwich
I think most reasonable fans are willing to stay patient. He took over a 3-9 team that lost to the Citadel, meanwhile Clemson and Georgia are going through elite stretches. That Ops center is a huge deal for us.
That being said, we've got to at least be competitive. The 2nd half against Georgia, the Kentucky game, and the Virginia game were embarrassing and more of those will cause people to lose that patience pretty quick.
That being said, we've got to at least be competitive. The 2nd half against Georgia, the Kentucky game, and the Virginia game were embarrassing and more of those will cause people to lose that patience pretty quick.
This post was edited on 7/29/19 at 8:58 am
Posted on 7/29/19 at 9:03 am to Lonnie Utah
I agree with you Lonnie.
Spurrier was/is an offensive genius no doubt but mUSChamp is a true student of the game.
Both of them are very similar in that they can replay every play of a game, after a game and for years, much like golfers might remember every shot after a round.
But what makes mUSChamp a more technically proficient coach is his game planning and his ability to predict what he's going to see. He preps his teams well too. The problem so far has been that he has not had the players capable of executing his game plans. That's simply been the well known fact because he puts them in positions to make plays, you can see that when watching the games.
Last year our young guys failed to make plays. Poor tackling, dropped balls, missed opportunities. That wasn't coaching, that was inexperienced youth.
mUSChamp is a better tactician. I believe even SOS would admit that.
mUSChamp is also a better organizer. He's a better CEO. He's also his own recruiting coordinator. He runs the recruiting operation like a maestro. I've heard stories about him being on the road and holding conference calls between coaches while being able to pull stuff out of his head, little details and names and hot buttons, that amaze people.
Spurrier was NEVER able to recruit on the level mUSChamp is doing it at. SPURrier got lucky because of in state talent a couple of years but Boom is a legit recruiting prodigy with a serious eye for talent.
Spurrier though, I'll never forget going with my older brother, when I was home on leave, back in the early eighties to Duke to watch them play Clemson and Duke won. Clemson was #4 in the country. But I remember looking down at the sidelines and late in the game SPURrier was drawing up plays in the dirt. He was that kind of offensive genius.
mUSChamp is more of a player's coach too imho. SPURrier could be aloof at times but mUSChamp's players legitimately love him for the most part. These guys respect the hell outta him and his work ethic and devotion to them.
Spurrier was/is an offensive genius no doubt but mUSChamp is a true student of the game.
Both of them are very similar in that they can replay every play of a game, after a game and for years, much like golfers might remember every shot after a round.
But what makes mUSChamp a more technically proficient coach is his game planning and his ability to predict what he's going to see. He preps his teams well too. The problem so far has been that he has not had the players capable of executing his game plans. That's simply been the well known fact because he puts them in positions to make plays, you can see that when watching the games.
Last year our young guys failed to make plays. Poor tackling, dropped balls, missed opportunities. That wasn't coaching, that was inexperienced youth.
mUSChamp is a better tactician. I believe even SOS would admit that.
mUSChamp is also a better organizer. He's a better CEO. He's also his own recruiting coordinator. He runs the recruiting operation like a maestro. I've heard stories about him being on the road and holding conference calls between coaches while being able to pull stuff out of his head, little details and names and hot buttons, that amaze people.
Spurrier was NEVER able to recruit on the level mUSChamp is doing it at. SPURrier got lucky because of in state talent a couple of years but Boom is a legit recruiting prodigy with a serious eye for talent.
Spurrier though, I'll never forget going with my older brother, when I was home on leave, back in the early eighties to Duke to watch them play Clemson and Duke won. Clemson was #4 in the country. But I remember looking down at the sidelines and late in the game SPURrier was drawing up plays in the dirt. He was that kind of offensive genius.
mUSChamp is more of a player's coach too imho. SPURrier could be aloof at times but mUSChamp's players legitimately love him for the most part. These guys respect the hell outta him and his work ethic and devotion to them.
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