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Posted on 7/11/21 at 8:37 pm to Bama2020
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Baseball season is fricking over. Give ur dickriding a rest.
Yep.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 8:47 pm to SCLibertarian
quote:I think most college baseball fans(including me before I researched this topic) believe that USC had a flash-in-the-pan run from 2010-2011
South Carolina was national runner up twice in the 1970's, went to Omaha 3 times in the 1980's, 3 times in the 2000's and won 2 titles and was national runner up in the 2010's. We've been a top tier baseball program for 50 years.
and just don't know that they have been a really strong program since the 1970's.
I also had no idea that Kentucky has never even been to the CWS.
I also didn't know that Aggie has 6 CWS appearances and has two wins(2-12 .143). But this makes total sense if you anything about the history of aTm.
Posted on 7/11/21 at 10:34 pm to BlackCloud
I didn't realize the stats until this season.
Kentucky is dead last in the SEC all time by quite a fricking large margin. It's GD embarrassing and unnacceptable.
Kentucky is dead last in the SEC all time by quite a fricking large margin. It's GD embarrassing and unnacceptable.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:04 am to BlackCloud
Elite > 240 points
LSU 6-1-18-40 = 218+80 = 298
Tier 1 > 120 points
USC 2-4-11-32 = 133+40 = 173
Vanderbilt 2-2-5-20 = 95+40 = 135
Tier 2 > 60 points
Florida 1-2-12-21 = 78+20 = 98
Miss State 1-1-12-18 = 65+30 = 95
Missouri 1-3-6-18 = 79+5 = 84
Georgia 1-1-6-10 = 51+10 = 61
Varsity > 20 points
Arkansas 0-2-10-15 = 45
Alabama 0-2-5-11 = 36
Tennessee 0-1-5-8 = 23
Junior Varsity
Ole Miss 0-0-5-5 = 10
Auburn 0-0-5-3 = 8
Texas A&M 0-0-6-2 = 8
Freshman
Kentucky 0-0-0-0 = 0
Scoring System
25 Points for each National Championship
10 Points for each Runner Up
1 Point for each appearance
1 Point for each win
+30 Points for NC 2021
+20 Points for each NC 2000-2019
+10 Points for each NC 1980-1999
+5 Points for each NC 1960-1979
TLDR: I pretty much agree with your rankings if you are going to only use 3 tiers. But there are definitely some differences between the teams you listed in Tier 2 and Tier 3. Nice work.
LSU 6-1-18-40 = 218+80 = 298
Tier 1 > 120 points
USC 2-4-11-32 = 133+40 = 173
Vanderbilt 2-2-5-20 = 95+40 = 135
Tier 2 > 60 points
Florida 1-2-12-21 = 78+20 = 98
Miss State 1-1-12-18 = 65+30 = 95
Missouri 1-3-6-18 = 79+5 = 84
Georgia 1-1-6-10 = 51+10 = 61
Varsity > 20 points
Arkansas 0-2-10-15 = 45
Alabama 0-2-5-11 = 36
Tennessee 0-1-5-8 = 23
Junior Varsity
Ole Miss 0-0-5-5 = 10
Auburn 0-0-5-3 = 8
Texas A&M 0-0-6-2 = 8
Freshman
Kentucky 0-0-0-0 = 0
Scoring System
25 Points for each National Championship
10 Points for each Runner Up
1 Point for each appearance
1 Point for each win
+30 Points for NC 2021
+20 Points for each NC 2000-2019
+10 Points for each NC 1980-1999
+5 Points for each NC 1960-1979
TLDR: I pretty much agree with your rankings if you are going to only use 3 tiers. But there are definitely some differences between the teams you listed in Tier 2 and Tier 3. Nice work.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 12:13 am
Posted on 7/12/21 at 6:40 am to BigBro
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I pretty much agree with your rankings if you are going to only use 3 tiers.
I actually thought about doing a point system like you did including CWS wins, conference championships and conference tournaments.
But I knew it wouldn't change my ranking all that much.
I decied to do three tiers based on the one elite program, those who have won at least 1 NC, and those who have not won a NC.
Florida and MSU are so close I almost had to flip a coin.
I had to penalize Mizzou because all of their success was so long ago.
I do agree if LSU deserves an elite tier then Kentucky deserves a tier for being inferior.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 6:41 am
Posted on 7/12/21 at 7:34 am to BlackCloud
Ole Miss resume is very depressing. I’m so glad LSU dodged the bullet with Bianco
Posted on 7/12/21 at 7:36 am to BlackCloud
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Ole Miss: NC 0--- R-up 0--- CWS-5
Posted on 7/12/21 at 8:05 am to BigBro
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25 Points for each National Championship
10 Points for each Runner Up
Catching a pop fly is worth 15 points?
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:22 am to BlackCloud
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But I knew it wouldn't change my ranking all that much.
Agreed. I ultimately came to the same conclusion after going through the formula.
That being said, I thought it would be interesting to come up with a grading scale for each year.
My initial thoughts.
+10 Make NCAA Tourney
+10 Win Regional
+10 Win Super Regional
+10 Make Final
+10 Win National Championship
This would allow you to rank every team, every year. Winning a Conference Tourney maybe should mean something, but i’m not sure it really matters. Perhaps counting the wins would matter too..
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 11:24 am
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:25 am to BigBro
Historically it's hard to argue with what you put together. There are a couple of coin flips that could go either way, but you probably wouldn't get much push back either way.
If I had to rank current state of SEC baseball programs it would probably look something like this
1. Vandy
2. Mississippi State
3. Arkansas
4. LSU
5. Florida
6. Ole Miss
7. Tennessee
The Rest
If I had to rank current state of SEC baseball programs it would probably look something like this
1. Vandy
2. Mississippi State
3. Arkansas
4. LSU
5. Florida
6. Ole Miss
7. Tennessee
The Rest
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:31 am to Allyn McKeen
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Catching a pop fly is worth 15 points?
It’s kinda like this game I played growing up.. where one guy would throw the football into a group of kids.. as high as he could throw it.. and he would yell how many points it was worth if you caught it. So yeah.. an extra 15 points if you actually catch (get) the final out.
That being said, it’s all relative. No matter the scoring system, the results wouldn’t be all that different within the SEC.
Now it could make a difference if you were to compare Miami & LSU or Arizona State & USC. There is just a pretty clean hierarchy in the SEC as it stands today.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:32 am to BlackCloud
Is the pay all that great in this line of work?
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:40 am to BobLeeDagger
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If I had to rank current state of SEC baseball programs it would probably look something like this
1. Vandy
2. Mississippi State
3. Arkansas
4. LSU
5. Ole Miss
6. Tennessee
LSU was in the final in 2017 and won in 2009.
They should be higher imo.
Florida won a NC in 2017 and they aren’t even on your list?
South Carolina won the NC in 2010 & 2011 and they aren’t on your list?
What exactly has Ole Miss or Tennessee done to be ranked higher than a team with a NC in the last 20 years?
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:40 am to BlackCloud
If you do this by SEC championships, then Alabama is top 4 or so. Aside from LSU, Alabama has more combined regular season and SEC tournament titles than any other school. Alabama also has more total wins than any other SEC program.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:45 am to BigBro
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Agreed. I ultimately came to the same conclusion after going through the formula.
That being said, I thought it would be interesting to come up with a grading scale for each year.
My initial thoughts.
+10 Make NCAA Tourney
+10 Win Regional
+10 Win Super Regional
+10 Make Final
+10 Win National Championship
If you used this (removed any pts for Regionals/Supers because those changed and it's hard to equalize it out) (10 pt NCAA App, 10 pt CWS, 10 pt CWS Final Series/Game, 10 pt NCAA Champ)
1. LSU (640 pts)
2. Mississippi State (540)
3. Florida (520)
3. South Carolina (520)
5. Arkansas (440)
6. Texas A&M (410)
7. Missouri (330)
8. Alabama (310)
9. Vanderbilt (300)
10. Ole Miss (290)
11. Auburn (270)
12. Georgia (230)
13. Tennessee (170)
14. Kentucky (70)
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 11:48 am
Posted on 7/12/21 at 11:57 am to BlackCloud
I think we should be above Vandy due to the historical factor. They are a newcomer and have done well the past decade but State has a lot more appearances and conference championships, fan support, etc.
1. LSU
2a USC
2b MSU
1. LSU
2a USC
2b MSU
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:07 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Wow, you are like a calculator. :D
No wonder you won poster of the year!
IMO, the formula needs to be tweaked.
(1) Weighted by Year - A NC in 2021 should be worth X more than a championship in 1950. A sliding scale of some kind. This is a bit tricky as you don’t want it to be too complicated.
(2) Maybe add Y points for each win in Omaha and subtract Z points for each loss. Currently there is no difference between finishing 3rd to 8th.
For example, Vandy has 20 wins in 5 CWS. That is ridiculous. I haven’t counted the losses but it is a lot less than 20. Whereas a team like Auburn has 3 wins in 5 CWS.
(3) Should a Regular Season Conference Championship have value? It already has a little bit of value as you would get a higher seed in the Regionals, etc.
(4) Same question as #3, but with the Conference Tournament.
(5) What about overall wins? A team that goes 60-2 with 2 losses in the CWS to a team that went 62-0 should probably receive more points than a team like Fresno State that sneaked into the tourney and ended up winning the whole thing.
Just some thoughts.
Thanks for doing that calculation.
No wonder you won poster of the year!
IMO, the formula needs to be tweaked.
(1) Weighted by Year - A NC in 2021 should be worth X more than a championship in 1950. A sliding scale of some kind. This is a bit tricky as you don’t want it to be too complicated.
(2) Maybe add Y points for each win in Omaha and subtract Z points for each loss. Currently there is no difference between finishing 3rd to 8th.
For example, Vandy has 20 wins in 5 CWS. That is ridiculous. I haven’t counted the losses but it is a lot less than 20. Whereas a team like Auburn has 3 wins in 5 CWS.
(3) Should a Regular Season Conference Championship have value? It already has a little bit of value as you would get a higher seed in the Regionals, etc.
(4) Same question as #3, but with the Conference Tournament.
(5) What about overall wins? A team that goes 60-2 with 2 losses in the CWS to a team that went 62-0 should probably receive more points than a team like Fresno State that sneaked into the tourney and ended up winning the whole thing.
Just some thoughts.
Thanks for doing that calculation.
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:12 pm to BigBro
A decade ago isn't current. I completely forgot about Florida, I'll give you that. A current list doesn't have as much to do with numbers as it does the 'mood' of current happenings i.e. fan support, recruiting, head coach, consistency, etc.
South Carolina is a great example of this. They probably aren't a top 8 program at the moment.
South Carolina is a great example of this. They probably aren't a top 8 program at the moment.
This post was edited on 7/12/21 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 7/12/21 at 12:17 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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If you used this (removed any pts for Regionals/Supers because those changed and it's hard to equalize it out) (10 pt NCAA App, 10 pt CWS, 10 pt CWS Final Series/Game, 10 pt NCAA Champ)
As a simple calculation, I think making CWS should count as 20 points (instead of 10) as it would imply that you won the Regional and Super Regional.
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