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Posted on 7/19/12 at 10:52 am to G8RnGA
I think Russell is the most proven, especially in the passing game, but I think Kiehl has more upside AND bust potential. Brissett don't know much about but I think he's in the middle.
Posted on 7/19/12 at 10:52 am to WDE24
I'll go Frazier, he has a cannon for an arm and throws harder than Cam according to Emory Blake.
Posted on 7/19/12 at 10:53 am to WDE24
Grundy would take Brissett, then Russell, then Driskell, then Frazier.
Brissett looks to the have the best combo of poise and ability of the group. He didnt have a lot of help last year but he showed some ability. He is probably the best runner out of this group. Frazier and Driskell both looked like they shouldnt have played last year.
Brissett looks to the have the best combo of poise and ability of the group. He didnt have a lot of help last year but he showed some ability. He is probably the best runner out of this group. Frazier and Driskell both looked like they shouldnt have played last year.
Posted on 7/19/12 at 10:53 am to SECSolomonGrundy
Posted on 7/19/12 at 10:55 am to WDE24
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I don't think this is the case, but I can't say the possibility doesn't exist. He has been getting lots of praise about how he has looked in the off-season, but that means very little.
Based only on what I saw last year--I don't follow Auburn's Qb battle in the offseason that closely--I would be incredibly surprised if Frazier developed into a competent passer. He is a good runner, but as the clip showed, is prone to making the wrong read on read run concepts. His decision making when allowed to throw was unimpressive.
Posted on 7/19/12 at 10:57 am to SECSolomonGrundy
quote:Frazier definitely didn't look ready and was used so oddly by the coaches that it didn't give him much of a chance. Hopefully the reports of his growth under Loeffler are more true and less blowing smoke.
Frazier and Driskell both looked like they shouldnt have played last year.
Posted on 7/19/12 at 11:03 am to SECSolomonGrundy
Brisset is probably the slowest of the bunch. I agree with you that a true FR should not have been starting at UF though.
This thread is silly though since I do believe JD starts. They both will play though until its sorted out.
This thread is silly though since I do believe JD starts. They both will play though until its sorted out.
Posted on 7/19/12 at 11:04 am to therick711
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I would be incredibly surprised if Frazier developed into a competent passer. He is a good runner, but as the clip showed, is prone to making the wrong read on read run concepts. His decision making when allowed to throw was unimpressive.
I understand where you are coming from whith that statement...but you do realize he was a true freshman last year, right?
Posted on 7/19/12 at 11:10 am to therick711
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I don't think this is the case, but I can't say the possibility doesn't exist. He has been getting lots of praise about how he has looked in the off-season, but that means very little.
quote:AU folks say Frazier wasn't allowed to make decisions for himself - that every move he made was premeditated/scripted by Gus with no deviation or creativity from the QB. I thought at season's end that Frazier would have been better served to red-shirt and grow into Gus' offense.
Based only on what I saw last year--I don't follow Auburn's Qb battle in the offseason that closely--I would be incredibly surprised if Frazier developed into a competent passer. He is a good runner, but as the clip showed, is prone to making the wrong read on read run concepts. His decision making when allowed to throw was unimpressive.
It won't matter now anyway since they have a new OC, new scheme, terminology & playbook now in motion with Loeffler.
KF just looked young/green/lost - like any true freshman QB would look.
This post was edited on 7/19/12 at 11:12 am
Posted on 7/19/12 at 11:13 am to roadGator
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This thread is silly though since I do believe JD starts. They both will play though until its sorted out.
not so fast my gator friend.
Brissett looked better last year... not saying a whole lot, I know. Brissett just seems to know what he's doing where JD looks scared, doesn't want the ball, run after his 1st read breaks down. Maybe Pease can help with that. I do think JD has better measurables and probably more potential. Brissett just seems to be ahead of the curve between the two... for now.
Posted on 7/19/12 at 11:14 am to Aubie83
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I understand where you are coming from whith that statement...but you do realize he was a true freshman last year, right?
A true freshman thrown in behind a line that did little to protect him or give him time to take a fart. The oline improves this year, and whoever the QB is will look better as well IMO.
Posted on 7/19/12 at 11:14 am to RT1941
quote:I don't know that it was that stringent, but he was almost always only allowed to run. When he was allowed to pass, it appeared, either by his own choice or as directed, that he knew where he was throwing the ball before the snap. Also, he never really had the chance to run a full series or ever get into the rhythm of a game.
AU folks say Frazier wasn't allowed to make decisions for himself - that every move he made was premeditated/scripted by Gus with no deviation or creativity from the QB.
quote:I agree. I just hope his little experience has helped him grow and not damaged him instead.
I thought at season's end that Frazier would have been better served to red-shirt
quote:Brady-maker Cam
Loeffler.
Posted on 7/19/12 at 11:17 am to 20symbolsisnotenoug
Honestly, I think Russell is a better fit for Auburn's new offense...and Frazier is a better fit for Mullen's previous offense...
Both will be playing in a system that is not designed to their strengths(although I'm sure both will be tweaked to fit them)...
Both will be playing in a system that is not designed to their strengths(although I'm sure both will be tweaked to fit them)...
Posted on 7/19/12 at 11:20 am to WDE24
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I don't think this is the case, but I can't say the possibility doesn't exist. He has been getting lots of praise about how he has looked in the off-season, but that means very little.
Don't kill the messenger, but that is the same stuff we heard for 2 years about JJ. For your sanity, I hope that he has progressed. I would not wish our Qb play from the last 2 years on anyone.
Posted on 7/19/12 at 11:22 am to WDE24
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I agree. I just hope his little experience has helped him grow and not damaged him instead.
The word I get from my Aub friends is that the kid has a good head on his shoulders. He realizes that last year was last year, and has taken a lead role with the offense and is ready to take the reigns.
Word also is that due to Frazier stepping up, it has challenged Moseley and there's some stiff competition going into fall practice between the two QB's.
Posted on 7/19/12 at 11:27 am to garrick0102
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I don't think this is the case, but I can't say the possibility doesn't exist. He has been getting lots of praise about how he has looked in the off-season, but that means very little.
quote:We heard a great amount of talk about Trotter & Moseley this same time last year - -- - now it's all about Frazier.
Don't kill the messenger, but that is the same stuff we heard for 2 years about JJ. For your sanity, I hope that he has progressed. I would not wish our Qb play from the last 2 years on anyone.
Things change in a short amount of time. And for all the bashing LSU QB's have gotten, those guys were instrumental in taking LSU to a 24-3 record in the last 2 years - not too damn shabby IMO.
Posted on 7/19/12 at 11:28 am to garrick0102
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Don't kill the messenger, but that is the same stuff we heard for 2 years about JJ. For your sanity, I hope that he has progressed. I would not wish our Qb play from the last 2 years on anyone.
True, but to be fair, we heard the same stuff about Cam Newton, too.
Posted on 7/19/12 at 11:50 am to audodger
This is like the first somewhat reasonable thread I have read in months.
ETA: Depending on Frazier's improvements, he would probably be best for State's offense, while Russell would be better right now for someone like Bama or even an offense like Missouri. Briskett is pretty much unknown to people like me that don't follow recruiting nationally.
ETA: Depending on Frazier's improvements, he would probably be best for State's offense, while Russell would be better right now for someone like Bama or even an offense like Missouri. Briskett is pretty much unknown to people like me that don't follow recruiting nationally.
This post was edited on 7/19/12 at 11:53 am
Posted on 7/19/12 at 12:00 pm to 20symbolsisnotenoug
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not so fast my gator friend.
Brissett looked better last year... not saying a whole lot, I know. Brissett just seems to know what he's doing where JD looks scared, doesn't want the ball, run after his 1st read breaks down. Maybe Pease can help with that. I do think JD has better measurables and probably more potential. Brissett just seems to be ahead of the curve between the two... for now.
Jeff's big chance came vs Bama when John went down. Any TF would have been scared in that situation. JB started the next game because JD ws injured at the end of the Bama game and Weis hardly gave him a second look. Brissett got the majority of the sideline help till John could take the field again.
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