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re: Troll free discussion of where Bama is right now and what direction they may be headed.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:55 am to bamaoldtimer
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:55 am to bamaoldtimer
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The problem isn’t CKD. it’s the problem affecting all of college football. Unrestricted Nil and players 17-23 making 2-15 million from Alumni and corporations seeking representation for their products.
I agree.
Nobody will ever be able to reproduce what Saban did in these conditions. It’s impossible now to lock in and keep the best players throughout their college careers forcing them to wait their turn and earn their playing time. It created a beast of a program with depth stacked on depth. Couple that with Saban’s defensive prowess and his approach to making teams quit….it was lightning in a bottle.
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Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:56 am to SemperFiDawg
Being hopeful, this is Urban Myers’s welcome to the SEC season. I’ll never forget his interview going into halftime against Shula led Bama team that was kicking his arse. He looked woefully out of his depth. This Bama team had a lot of highly rated guys that have underperformed relative to their rating. If this team is a Ferrari, it it one with a ragged out manual transmission and a driver that has never driven stick.
The pessimistic view is that he is gonna be Zook following Spurrier.
Too early to tell either way, but there have been some concerning signs and some encouraging ones.
The pessimistic view is that he is gonna be Zook following Spurrier.
Too early to tell either way, but there have been some concerning signs and some encouraging ones.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:57 am to SemperFiDawg
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Like it or not Bama has been the literal spine of the SEC for over a decade
Decades.
Since 1934.
They have the most SEC titles and it’s not close.
The current coach will either win at a high level, or he will be bought out after 3 years.
With a 12 team playoff, I doubt Alabama puts up with anything less than a coach who gets them into the playoffs 2 out of 3 years. Maybe more like 3 out of 4.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 9:58 am to oleyeller
I've been through worse seasons
Than 9-3 since 1968. A lot. So
I'll take that.
Than 9-3 since 1968. A lot. So
I'll take that.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 10:47 am to PBD4BAMA
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If they are willing to give him time, I think freeze will have auburn in prime position to take Bamas place. Laugh all you want, but it's happening.
Nobody is taking Bama's place. There just isn't historical precedent for repeated runs like that and I think in this era they'll be less likely. I think big players will remain big players and stay close to the top, but the more transient nature of CFB will keep programs from being able to do what Saban did.
Obviously I'd love for Freeze to take AU to something resembling that success, but even if you could do it in this era, I don't think he's that guy. He's been too in his head this season, he doesn't demand what Saban demands, he's pulled in too many different directions, IMO.
I think he can get Auburn competitive with the top of the conference again and potentially work himself into a title-competing position, but that's the case with any top 8 team in the conference that recruits well.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 10:54 am to RT58
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Adjustments, they're begging to fail. Saban did that better than most. I've yet to see this staff attempt to adjust to what the opposing Defense is doing in those tight games. They Come right back out with the
Same game plan. Run Milroe
Left. Run Milroe right. On occasion
Let a RB tote the ball.
When you have a non-passing dummy for a qb, exactly what adjustments are they supposed to make? The dude is truly an awful, awful QB. The offense has been dumbed down to its dumbest level to cater to Milroe, and he still can't execute.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 10:59 am to SemperFiDawg
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There's probably never been a coach who inherited a team as talented as Bama. KB literally took over a gold mine.
Yes, a goldmine that, with Saban at the helm, needed a miracle to beat Auburn, was blown out by Texas, had a touchdown lead over USF in the fourth quarter and had to fight off a comeback against an 8-loss Arkansas team...
Yet still went 2-0 vs UG. :rotlfmao:
This post was edited on 11/25/24 at 11:03 am
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:11 am to morriscat2
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What a typical comment by a group thinker. Vanderbilt is obviously not a weak opponent this year. We have been in every game except South Carolina. But you are too programmed. So you think like the herd
It wasn't meant as an insult. Going into this season if anyone had to pick 2 teams that Bama would beat they would have picked Vandy and either Auburn or OU. Was just stating the facts. I'm as happy for Vandy's success as anyone else not named Bama, UK or Auburn and hope you stomp a mudhole in the Vols.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:14 am to SemperFiDawg
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if anyone had to pick 2 teams that Bama would beat they would have picked Vandy and either Auburn or OU.
That’s 3 teams and anyone who understands SEC football knows you never assume a winner in the iron bowl.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:15 am to SemperFiDawg
There is nothing wrong with Alabama other than needing a better QB.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:18 am to 3down10
quote:you have told me repeatedly that the ultimate gauge of an HC is whether or not he can make a team better right off the bat
There is nothing wrong with Alabama other than needing a better QB.
is Bama better this year than last?
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:24 am to 3down10
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There is nothing wrong with Alabama other than needing a better QB
Does DeBoer have a plan for this? Is Simpson still on the roster for next year? Is he a good fit for DeBoer? He has 50 attempts in 3 years so not much of a resume. Surely not expecting the true freshman to step into a starting role on day 1. If Milroe leaves that’s Simpson and a true freshman as depth. That’s not ideal.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:25 am to FearlessFreep
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you have told me repeatedly that the ultimate gauge of an HC is whether or not he can make a team better right off the bat
No I didn't, and I'll happily take a ban bet on it if you think you have the balls to back up that claim.
I'll even help you out. Just go to google and type in "site:secrant.com" followed by my name and coaches.
Hell, I've been taking shite for damn near 3 years now outside the year I didn't post for defending Billy Napier, and now you claim this?
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is Bama better this year than last?
Yes, oddly enough.
This post was edited on 11/25/24 at 11:28 am
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:27 am to Smokeyone
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Does DeBoer have a plan for this? Is Simpson still on the roster for next year? Is he a good fit for DeBoer? He has 50 attempts in 3 years so not much of a resume. Surely not expecting the true freshman to step into a starting role on day 1. If Milroe leaves that’s Simpson and a true freshman as depth. That’s not ideal.
I don't know, that's not my shite to worry about.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:27 am to Landmass
There’s definitely been some struggles; some were obvious and others unforeseen. It was assumed that he would be able to turn Milroe into a much better quarterback. He has had some moments, such as against Georgia, but he is no better, perhaps worse than last year.
But it’s far from just a QB problem. The lack of discipline on the team and that it has been allowed to grow; I don’t know which part is more astonishing. At that point I knew the season was lost. Behavior like Moore’s cannot be tolerated. You have to suspend the player and have a meeting with the team and let them know you are the leader; not a player.
Yes, we’re in the days of NIL, and it is much different, and not for the better in my opinion. But, a coach still has to have discipline. It’s easy to say that things will improve when DeBoer has his players in place, and some may, such as recruiting lineman who can pull instead of simply trying to mash people. But I see a philosophy/approach problem. DeBoer will have to make some changes in taking a more firm hand with coordinators, and a different approach to game prep. Overall, there hasn’t been enough time to gauge his ability to succeed as Alabama’s coach. And, let me say this, Nick is one of the 2 best to ever coach, but he left behind a problem on this team that DeBoer inherited. And in Deboer’s part, he has dealt with it poorly, also.
But it’s far from just a QB problem. The lack of discipline on the team and that it has been allowed to grow; I don’t know which part is more astonishing. At that point I knew the season was lost. Behavior like Moore’s cannot be tolerated. You have to suspend the player and have a meeting with the team and let them know you are the leader; not a player.
Yes, we’re in the days of NIL, and it is much different, and not for the better in my opinion. But, a coach still has to have discipline. It’s easy to say that things will improve when DeBoer has his players in place, and some may, such as recruiting lineman who can pull instead of simply trying to mash people. But I see a philosophy/approach problem. DeBoer will have to make some changes in taking a more firm hand with coordinators, and a different approach to game prep. Overall, there hasn’t been enough time to gauge his ability to succeed as Alabama’s coach. And, let me say this, Nick is one of the 2 best to ever coach, but he left behind a problem on this team that DeBoer inherited. And in Deboer’s part, he has dealt with it poorly, also.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:28 am to SemperFiDawg
I disagree. The Saban of the last 3 or 4 years wasn’t the Saban of 2015. There is no way in hell that 2015 Saban loses to the 2022 Vols with the roster advantage he had or LSU later that year.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:42 am to 3down10
quote:by what metric?
Yes, oddly enough.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:51 am to FearlessFreep
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by what metric?
FEI, SP+, F+.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:55 am to SemperFiDawg
Let's face it and I can admit it - BAMA is BAMA. The brand alone will always have BAMA competing for conference and national championships unless falls into the trap of hiring a Dubose or Shula again. That being said, Saban was a unicorn and the gap between BAMA and other SEC teams from now on will not be like it was in the Saban era no matter who the coach at BAMA is. BAMA fans simply need to face reality at this point. BAMA is still a formidable program with a tremendous amount of football talent and that is good for the conference.
Posted on 11/25/24 at 11:58 am to RT58
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9-3
Who was the ninth win?
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