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Would be more believable is Trump would stop groveling for a "deal." He can't get off his knees.
If you wrote this, Well Done. :cheers: If you didn't I'd like to know who did in order to follow their articles.
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-- Sanctions are dropped
-- Iran can use the SWIFT system to exchange petroleum for USD currency
-- Unlimited oil exports
-- the ability to hold Qatar and the UAE gas exports terminals hostage via blackmail to buy their protection from ballistic missile strikes
-- no limits on their funding of proxy militias in Lebanon and Yemen
-- $30 billion in immediate hard currency
-- $300 billion in unrestricted foreign investment dollars (which they can use for whatever purpose they desire).
-- political legitimacy of the IRGC which dictated the terms of the deal with the United States of America.


You left out the crown jewel: authority over the SOH. It's has bigger strategic value than the nukes. Proof: They brought Trump to his knees with their control of it but not one functional nuke. Now they have been ceded authority over all transit through it.
Bloomberg just published draft of MOU.
MOU Draft

IMHO it's an abject failure. I'm sure the Trump camp will hail it a historic victory. It is what it is.
Just FYI FWIW. Bloomberg just published the supposed MOU. IMHO it's not favorable and leaves one asking what was the purpose of the conflict.

re: A very, very simple question?

Posted by SemperFiDawg on 6/16/26 at 8:18 pm to
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Maybe because currently it isn't in its final form and some trial balloons were floated the past 2 days?


Well I'll ask the same question that has already been asked on the last page.

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What exactly did we electronically sign if it is still under negotiation?
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If this was meant to be a cloaked gotcha, it’s a shitty one.


It wasn't
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Why do you ask?


Legit question. Thanks for asking.

Constitutional issues aside, the answer is twofold. First, It has the potential to put much of the criticism to bed if indeed it is a good deal. Second, I have a strong sense of foreboding it's a horrible deal. Trump was bold enough to inform Iran when he was going to bomb them which is unheard of. He was bold enough to publicly trash Bibi Netanyahu. I gotta think that if this deal was indeed "great" he would be blasting it on Truth Social. He hasn't even informed the members of Congress in his own party nor Israel who was our closest ally and the MOU reportedly involves their national security. That just doesn't bode well IMHO.

re: A very, very simple question?

Posted by SemperFiDawg on 6/16/26 at 8:00 pm to
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MAGA is not necessarily conservative


Trust me. I'm aware. IMHO Conservativism is belief in a set of ideals whereas MAGA is more of a cult of personality revolving around Trump who co-oped some, but certainly not all conservative ideas. I'm a Conservative. Where conservative values and Trump align I support him. Where they diverge I don't. MAGA will be gone when Trump is gone in 28. Conservative ideologies won't.
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The gulf nations have asked us not to until some wording and sequencing gets finalized. It will be released anytime from tomorrow or Friday


Now that makes sense. Thanks for the first legitimate answer to the question so far.
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Do you think Trump is incompetent, or corrupt? If so, why?


Where I stand on Trump is inconsequential. One's political allegiance shouldn't have any bearing on the answer. The fact that it has for almost every response so far demonstrates most people can't step out of their ideology even to answer an otherwise simple, straightforward question. It is what it is.
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You keep saying no one has answered your question - it’s just a really stupid question and your insistence upon someone producing an answer is….


Chose this reply because it's representative of most replies so far. In essence it asks, "What right do you have to know?" My answer is straightforward: Last I checked we were a Constitutional Republic where the elected leaders exercise power and govern on behalf of the citizenry. What Trump has done is the exact opposite: exercised power without the knowledge or consent of the citizenry. In short: It's your Constitutional Right as an American Citizen to know and consent to the treaties your president is signing. It's no more constitutional for Trump to do it than it would be for Obama or Biden. Who is sitting in the Oval office is inconsequential. I'm stunned at the amount of people who have completely abdicated that right, and again, none of that answers the initial question.
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I believe it is. No one outside of the parties that are in negotiations will know till then.


We are all aware of that. The question remains unanswered.
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Jesus man. Let the dude do his thing before you know the details .


You are owed nothing


Again. Not an answer.
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I think Friday it will be final.


Appreciate the reply, but again not an answer to the question.
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Patience, grasshopper.


That's not an answer.

A very, very simple question?

Posted by SemperFiDawg on 6/16/26 at 6:49 pm
Context: I'm about as hard Right Conservative as they come. I frequent a political forum consisting of older, staunch MAGA. I posed this question and was lambasted for my TDS for just daring to pose such a question. Hoping for a better response from this younger crowd.

Question: If the "deal" Trump has cut with Iran is so great why not publish it for the American people to view.
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I pray for his battle with cancer.


Terrible news. I pray he recovers.
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Will someone please let me know the last time VDH was wrong?


Last week in the article where he opined Trump's tactics in Iran could create a regime change.

Iranian Endgames: American Greatness
VDH has went completely in the tank for Trump and his blind loyalty is killing his credibility as a critical thinker. I hate it because I had great respect for his objectivity and clear and concise commentary prior to him going intellectually blind over this Iranian Conflict debacle.
Is there a link for this. Be nice to be able to share it without worrying I'm sharing some AI generated propaganda.