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Posted on 4/19/17 at 7:33 pm to CobraCommander83
Posted on 4/19/17 at 7:33 pm to CobraCommander83
what is your evidence that they don't?
we don't just have to assume you are right.
Do you deny that students from Clemson get jobs all the time?
we don't just have to assume you are right.
Do you deny that students from Clemson get jobs all the time?
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Posted on 4/19/17 at 7:37 pm to Tillman
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that's my point. how do all the best professors just happen to get a job at the same universities
I guess the same way the best doctors just happen to want to work at the best hospitals.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 7:37 pm to Tillman
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most of the reason Gtech is higher is selectivity.
I'm guessing you don't have an engineering degree. another US News rankings parrot. :)
We know you don't have one either.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 7:39 pm to Tillman
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my point is most employers view all engineering programs the same, particularly among the large state univesities and the well known private schools, with some exceptions.
Wish Ryan Johnson knew this
Posted on 4/19/17 at 7:41 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I'm proud to say my dad is an engineer who got his undergrad and masters from Georgia Tech.
Besides, in engineering, only people who get their doctorate are narcists or someone that wants to teach.
Besides, in engineering, only people who get their doctorate are narcists or someone that wants to teach.
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 4/19/17 at 7:42 pm to Tillman
The point I am trying to make is that you made several statements saying clempson is one of the best engineering schools in the country. Ok that is fine, but what proof shows that? You argue that US News is liberal but what other sources show that? I can sit here and say that Limestone College has the best business programs in the country but I am only going to base that off of opinion and not off any source.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 7:44 pm to CobraCommander83
you seem to miss my point consistently.
My point is engineering is challenging by default. Employers are looking at the major and not focused on the school.
Again, what evidence do you have that CLemson is not as good as some other program. try to be specific, talk about professers, and don't reference the US News.
your limestone college analogy doesn't work well because it is a small college with little name recognition. i think the business program there is as good as anywhere else, business isn't rocket science. you haven't articulated as to why the business program would not be as good there as anywhere else. All your beliefs about universities come straight from US News. You are not even aware of how much they bias you.
My point is engineering is challenging by default. Employers are looking at the major and not focused on the school.
Again, what evidence do you have that CLemson is not as good as some other program. try to be specific, talk about professers, and don't reference the US News.
your limestone college analogy doesn't work well because it is a small college with little name recognition. i think the business program there is as good as anywhere else, business isn't rocket science. you haven't articulated as to why the business program would not be as good there as anywhere else. All your beliefs about universities come straight from US News. You are not even aware of how much they bias you.
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Posted on 4/19/17 at 7:52 pm to Tillman
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My father
should have pulled out
Posted on 4/19/17 at 7:58 pm to Tillman
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we don't just have to assume you are right.
sure as Hell don't have to assume you are either
Posted on 4/19/17 at 8:00 pm to Tillman
Never said that clemspon is not as good as other programs but you said that it is one of the top engineering schools in the country. I just wonder where that is coming from. I don't doubt engineering is challenging but a lot of other programs can be challenging. I don't think business is harder than engineering but it is hard in its own right.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 8:09 pm to Tillman
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not really because those out of staters help keep in state costs down for the CLemson residents
Costs for the Clemson residents?
An SC resident should get preference over out of state, everything being equal. Problem with that is that Clemson wants that out state money and basically tells the SC applicant to pound sand.
I know it is hard for Clemson fans to admit, but your school makes mistakes just like any other institution. I think most of us would respect you guys a little more if just once your fanbase would stop the CU sunshine pumping.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 8:48 pm to SummerOfGeorge
It is nice to see the SEC excel in academics as well as athletics. Hope all the universities continue to excel and improve. Good for the region.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 9:07 pm to weagle99
when have I ever said Clemson is perfect. I have criticized the university frequently.
On this thread, all I said is think the university is as good academically as other universities. That's sunshine pumping to a hostile irrational person like you.
Why do you care about how many students Clemson takes in state anyway. why do you think that I need your validation. I could not care less if you don't respect me. who are you.
On this thread, all I said is think the university is as good academically as other universities. That's sunshine pumping to a hostile irrational person like you.
Why do you care about how many students Clemson takes in state anyway. why do you think that I need your validation. I could not care less if you don't respect me. who are you.
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 9:10 pm
Posted on 4/19/17 at 9:10 pm to Tillman
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your limestone college analogy doesn't work well because it is a small college with little name recognition.
Okay, swap it for Carnegie Mellon. CM is a very small school that most outside of the technical trades have never heard of because they don't have big time sports.
Endowment
Carnegie Mellon endowment = 1.7 Billion (more money for chairs)
Clemson University endowment = 0.6 Billion (less money for chairs)
This means Clemson has about 1/3 the assets to hire the best teachers. Also the salary paid to the coaches at Clemson are shifted to actual professors at Carnegie Mellon so they get an even bigger bang for their faculty buck.
Research (based on NSF numbers)
Carnegie Mellon yearly research = 250 million
Clemson University yearly research = 160 million
This means Clemson has about 2/3 the research to fund and attract the best and brightest students. This also shows a more direct focus on academics over athletics. If looking at 2 engineering schools, Carnegie Mellon is more focused for a job seeker and probably gets better head hunters for actual workers in the industry. The ENG program I attended attracted the A level recruiters and not the C level recruiters at larger state schools with less focus. With a ENG degree from my school I could have gotten straight C's and still landed a Fortune 50 job because the classes and students in them were so competitive. You have heard of the old adage "Steel sharpens steel" is most appropriate at this academic level.
Academic ratios undergrad to grad student body (rounded to nearest 1K
Carnegie Mellon ratios = 6K undergrad (46.15%) / 7K grad (53.85%)for 13K total
Clemson University ratios = 19K undergrad (79.17%) / 5K grad (20.83%)for 24K total
Clearly looking at the numbers the focus of Clemson is undergrad population supporting much less research while Carnegie Mellon is focused on producing advanced research which will better prepare students mentally for jobs requiring a very high skill set. Also, many of these research schools use the grad level education as a stepping stone to better post education jobs. I have known several ENG grad students where their grad work led directly to a industry job that needed the technology these ENG researched. Many Fortune 500 companies have taken the R&D off their books and sub it out to the higher level academic schools.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 9:11 pm to Cheese Grits
geez you give a headache.
how does endowment have anythig to do with how good the professor is. Are you saying professors don't teach well unless they are extremely overpaid?
you act like everything in this world is about money.
the research is great for the university but it has nothing to do with education and getting a job. I'm talking about education for students to get a job. Your perspective seems to be aligned with things that would interest the university more than the student.
Most people who graduate from college are not working in research jobs.
how does endowment have anythig to do with how good the professor is. Are you saying professors don't teach well unless they are extremely overpaid?
you act like everything in this world is about money.
the research is great for the university but it has nothing to do with education and getting a job. I'm talking about education for students to get a job. Your perspective seems to be aligned with things that would interest the university more than the student.
Most people who graduate from college are not working in research jobs.
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 4/19/17 at 9:35 pm to Tillman
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how does endowment have anythig to do with how good the professor is.
Did you even go to college?
Seriously?
Money means chairs, chairs mean talent
So the amount Alabama spends on football has nothing to do with their success?
Do you really think Dabo is at Clemson if his salary was half what it is and he had 1/2 as much money to hire his staff?
Quit trolling, nobody is as dumb as you pretend to be, nobody.
Posted on 4/19/17 at 9:36 pm to Tillman
I've attended small and large state universities, got my masters at Wake, and did a postdoc at Brown. Had lots of friends who went to Duke. In general the smart kids at any school are the same and get the same information out of the same textbooks. The only difference was at the Ivy League schools were the best undergrads were just scary smart due the extreme competition for admission.
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 9:39 pm
Posted on 4/19/17 at 9:42 pm to Cheese Grits
do you think Dabo would be a worse coach if he was paid less?
Posted on 4/19/17 at 9:44 pm to Drizzt
i think a lot of Ivy kids are like the yearbook nazi girl in the movie Election.
A lot of smart kids don't blossom until they get to college and can focus on their interest, so I think making a big deal out of high school GPA / test score selectivity at a college is weird.
i took college a lot more seriously than I took high school.
A lot of smart kids don't blossom until they get to college and can focus on their interest, so I think making a big deal out of high school GPA / test score selectivity at a college is weird.
i took college a lot more seriously than I took high school.
This post was edited on 4/19/17 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 4/19/17 at 9:47 pm to Tillman
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Dabo would be a worse coach if he was paid less?
Not what I said at all, you are moving the goalpost, answer the questions
#1 Do you think Dabo would be coaching at Clemson this fall for half his current salary?
YES or NO
#2 Do you think Dabo would be coaching at Clemson this fall for half his operating budget for facilities and staffing?
YES or NO
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