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re: To everyone bashing our 6-6 record from last season
Posted on 4/29/12 at 9:53 am to arwicklu
Posted on 4/29/12 at 9:53 am to arwicklu
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The only game that the Ags got soundly beaten in was the OU game. This could have easily been an 11-1 team. So they were plenty talented, however they also had a talent for giving away games when they had huge leads.
Agreed. Which is why it was the most difficult team for me to watch in my lifetime, but the talent we had on the field wasn't a fluke, which is why I am not worried. That is the level of talent we can put together every once in a while when the timing is right. We are a little over an hour north of downtown Houston, 3 from Dallas. We are the closest SEC team to both those cities, and I think that is what excites Aggies the most. Being a Big 12 team, while we didn't win as much as we could have, we had a lot of talent, and one would think that only expects to grow now that Texas kids can stay in state and play in the SEC. How much? No idea. But there is no way it isn't at least some sort of positive. I think the biggest key will be depth.
You know how Les Miles turned around Okie State? He said, "Well frick me, Stoops/Brown have the metroplex on lockdown, I'm strolling my way to Houston. Hey, Houston kids, wanna ride the bench in Aggieland, or be a 4 year starter for me? I know my school has an overall losing record, and hasn't won a conference championship in 60 years, but it'll be awesome." Keep in mind whatever success Les had in Stillwater was prior to anything Boone Pickens did with that program.
I think that will be the biggest help to A&M. Kids won't go to Lubbock/Stillwater/Waco with near as much frequency, and won't mind playing the waiting game in Aggieland.
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Posted on 4/29/12 at 9:55 am to theGarnetWay
Texas A&M's record:
2011= 7-6
2010= 9-4
2009= 6-7
2008= 4-8
2007= 7-6
2006= 9-4
2005= 5-6
2004= 7-5
2003= 4-8
2002= 6-6
Total record last ten years= 62-60
This is what I predict A&M's record to be around for the next 10 years of football in the SEC. Every once in a while they will beat LSU or Bama and have a 9-4 season. They will get slightly better recruits but that will be canceled out by better competition in the SEC. Yall will be like Ole Miss and Miss St but not as bad as Kentucky and Vanderbilt.
Sorry, I don't see things changing unless a Nick Saban comes to A&M something your current coach is not.
2011= 7-6
2010= 9-4
2009= 6-7
2008= 4-8
2007= 7-6
2006= 9-4
2005= 5-6
2004= 7-5
2003= 4-8
2002= 6-6
Total record last ten years= 62-60
This is what I predict A&M's record to be around for the next 10 years of football in the SEC. Every once in a while they will beat LSU or Bama and have a 9-4 season. They will get slightly better recruits but that will be canceled out by better competition in the SEC. Yall will be like Ole Miss and Miss St but not as bad as Kentucky and Vanderbilt.
Sorry, I don't see things changing unless a Nick Saban comes to A&M something your current coach is not.
Posted on 4/29/12 at 9:57 am to theGarnetWay
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So does that overwhelming SOS justify home losses to 7-5 Mizzou and Texas teams?
eta: Not once have I talked shite about A&M's season but threads like this is where I see why others do.
No justification. I think this is what Aggies are dealing with, none of us believe that this season indicates that we can't be winners in the SEC, that is institutionally impossible like it is for Ole Miss or Vandy, while we have former Big 12 brethren making that claim, as well as piggies(who is just scared because they haven't won the SEC, and we have a funny way of winning more conference championships than them when we are in the same league.)
Posted on 4/29/12 at 9:59 am to mwlewis
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Umm last season Arkansas was the 3rd best team in the SECW. By a pretty large margin too.
Umm. You should not base where you stand by what you did last year. Arkansas is not a top SEC west team historically. Al, LSU and Auburn are consistently ahead of Arkansas with all the accomplishments to show for it.
You are 4th in the west. DWI. Don't let one or a couple good seasons think you are better than you are.
Posted on 4/29/12 at 9:59 am to ctiger69
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Sorry, I don't see things changing
Agreed, Dat Nguyen ain't walkin through that door.
Posted on 4/29/12 at 10:01 am to LanierSpots
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You are 4th in the west. DWI. Don't let one or a couple good seasons think you are better than you are.
Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon
For the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who
That it's namin'
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'.
Posted on 4/29/12 at 10:08 am to TeLeFaWx
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Some people claimed that Arkansas was the 3rd best team in the SEC last year. Did we not compete with them?
This says it all and the mindset of some Aggies; "did we not COMPETE with them"? Vandy, Ole Miss and State competed with Arkansas as well so dos that make them a top team in the Big 12?
Arkansas played its worst game of the year against the 2nd best team in the Big 12 but still bitch slapped them. And let’s not forget, Arkansas’ defense was towards the bottom of the SEC last year yet they totally shut down that vaunted power running game of the Wildcats. That tells you all you need to know about your Big 12/SEC comparison.
Posted on 4/29/12 at 10:14 am to ctiger69
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Texas A&M's record:
2011= 7-6
2010= 9-4
2009= 6-7
2008= 4-8
2007= 7-6
2006= 9-4
2005= 5-6
2004= 7-5
2003= 4-8
2002= 6-6
Total record last ten years= 62-60
Can I post your record in the 90s then use it as a justification of why the 2000s will suck for yall?
You'll just counter with Saban(like you mentioned). The point is, Saban couldn't be Saban unless he was at a program with the capability to spend with the big boys. I, and most Aggies, believe that A&M has the capability to win, and win big.
But yes, I agree with you about Sumlin, especially the style of offense. As a CEO/recruiter/leader/head coach? I am not sure, a lot remains to be seen. I thought Mike Sherman was better in a lot of those areas, especially as a CEO/recruiter/offensive system. The SEC is a different animal, and Sumlin has marketed A&M perfectly through this transition in my opinion, something Sherman had no intention of doing. He's added some of the sex appeal back to the program.
Also, I think you're wrong about the record, even applying your own logic. That barely over .500 record came from a LOT of out of conference losing, that hopefully those slightly better recruits from being in the SEC would alleviate.
Posted on 4/29/12 at 10:15 am to ctiger69
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Total record last ten years= 62-60
So you're basing their future success on Dennis Franchione and Mike Sherman as head coaches? If you judged them on Jackie and RC before that, then you'd probably have a different thought since they won 7 conference championships under those 2 guys.
We're talking about a team that pounded LSU in the 90's. LSU found a good coach or two and things are different now.
If Sumlin does well, then aTm will be a factor in the SEC. They've got a much bigger recruiting advantage most schools in the SEC. They need someone that can coach the talent up and win.
Posted on 4/29/12 at 10:20 am to Choctaw Hog
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This says it all and the mindset of some Aggies; "did we not COMPETE with them"? Vandy, Ole Miss and State competed with Arkansas as well so dos that make them a top team in the Big 12?
The last ten years that y'all competed in the SWC with Aggies, we split the series 5-5. If you don't think we can compete with Arkansas, you're a moron. LSU/Bama have a reason to think differently, but getting to the threshold of "competing" with Arkansas consists of sitting around for 20 years and not winning the conference.
We have never gone that long in our history without winning our conference. Sorryboutya.
Posted on 4/29/12 at 10:24 am to Stonehog
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You are 4th in the west. DWI. Don't let one or a couple good seasons think you are better than you are.
Come writers and critics
Who prophesize with your pen
And keep your eyes wide
The chance won't come again
And don't speak too soon
For the wheel's still in spin
And there's no tellin' who
That it's namin'
For the loser now
Will be later to win
For the times they are a-changin'.
I know the data is tuff to agree with. Every piece of data proves my point
The fact that you believe the times are changing says you have a lot of confidence in your new coach.
Good luck to you guys this year.
Posted on 4/29/12 at 10:25 am to arwicklu
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If Sumlin does well, then aTm will be a factor in the SEC. They've got a much bigger recruiting advantage most schools in the SEC. They need someone that can coach the talent up and win.
We do and we don't. A lot of problems with recruiting in the state of Texas is the spread offense. On one end, I feel as though we need to embrace our talent pool, and high schools across the state are lining up their best athletes as receivers, and the lineman have no idea how to run block, and they are molding them this way through their developmental years. Another issue is the spread of AAU circuits, where great athletes aren't specializing the way they could be.
Posted on 4/29/12 at 10:34 am to A. Hidell
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If you aren't an LSU or a Bama fan, odds are, your team wouldn't have fared to well in the Big 12-2 either:
Yes, because conference overall strength of schedule takes into account how strong each individual team in the b12 is. Right.
Posted on 4/29/12 at 10:34 am to TeLeFaWx
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The last ten years that y'all competed in the SWC with Aggies, we split the series 5-5. If you don't think we can compete with Arkansas, you're a moron
Show me the post where I stated A & M couldn't compete with Arkansas.
Posted on 4/29/12 at 10:37 am to TeLeFaWx
I think Sumlin will be alright, although interesting point on the run blocking emphasis. Fore me, I think it'll be interesting to see what they pull off on the defensive side of the ball, though.
Posted on 4/29/12 at 10:42 am to TeLeFaWx
The Ags will compete in time, and though the Hogs own a very sizable all-time series record against them, Arkansas and TAMU are fairly equivalent programs--lots of years close to being great with very little hardware to show for whatever success we've both had.
I absolutely don't get the whole aggie thing. But by and large they are good folks, and I just can't work up any hate for them at all.
I absolutely don't get the whole aggie thing. But by and large they are good folks, and I just can't work up any hate for them at all.
Posted on 4/29/12 at 10:44 am to SpartyGator
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think Sumlin will be alright, although interesting point on the run blocking emphasis. Fore me, I think it'll be interesting to see what they pull off on the defensive side of the ball, though.
Well talent-wise on D, I don't think we will struggle too much. Again, it is all about timing for a program like A&M. We aren't a program at this stage that can "reload", but we can "rebuild". In 2010, we held OU, Nebraska to their lowest scoring totals all season, and only Bama held piggie to less points. Granted, Von Miller was on that team, but even last year we lead the entire country in sacks with like 50, and the next closest team was like 45, and the next closest was like 40 I think. We can get ourselves SEC type athletes, I just don't want this stupid spread system to set us back, like the option did with Fran.
Posted on 4/29/12 at 10:54 am to TeLeFaWx
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Also, I think you're wrong about the record, even applying your own logic. That barely over .500 record came from a LOT of out of conference losing, that hopefully those slightly better recruits from being in the SEC would alleviate.
46 of the 60 loses came at the hands of Big 12 foes. 14 came from out of conference.
Of those 14 loses zero of those teams were ranked in the top 10. Yall were not playing powerhouses. Most of those teams were not even ranked.
Yes, Texas A&M has great resources, a big stadium, and blah blah blah. I have heard the talk at nauseam but I have yet to see the walk.
Fact, Texas A&M has not finished a season ranked in the top 5 in over 55 years. So now magically since A&M has joined the best conference in the country yall are supposed to be elite at flick of a light switch. It’s going to take much more than that such as a Nick Saban.
Yes, I have lived in Austin for 3 years among the sips as yall call them. Some things I have realized since living here. When Texas is elite they are very cocky and arrogant. But I know they are truly elite. When Texas is mid-tier they admit it and laugh at themselves. They often under estimate their team during this time. But they know exaclty what their team is every year.
When Texas A&M is mid-tier they are cocky and arrogant and very delusional to a point where it's both sad and annoying. But I know they are still mid-tier and have not accomplished anything in a very long time. But Aggies believe they are elite and will not admit to being mid-tier. Aggie gets mad if they are not respected before they acctually have accomplished anything. The little man syndrome/little brother syndrome is going on at full force.
I find Texas fans are much easier to get along with than Aggie fans. When I moved here UT was competing for national championships with Colt McCoy and LSU was struggling in 2008-2009. I heard all about it at work and dealt with the LSU jokes for those years. But Texas, Texas Tech, and Baylor fans are just more realistic and Aggie fans are delusional beyond believe.
I'm not a Texas fan. I do not pull for them or against them. I wear my LSU colors to every home game/tailgate I have been to. I enjoy keeping my friends here updated on SEC play. I honestly don’t even keep up with UT unless they are a top 5 team in the country.
This post was edited on 4/29/12 at 11:01 am
Posted on 4/29/12 at 10:59 am to ctiger69
Haha
Posted on 4/29/12 at 11:01 am to LanierSpots
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Umm. You should not base where you stand by what you did last year. Arkansas is not a top SEC west team historically. Al, LSU and Auburn are consistently ahead of Arkansas with all the accomplishments to show for it.
Umm the scenario in question was specifically about last season. You're the one turning it in to an all-time thing for some reason.
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