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re: This is why we have no respect for College Station PD
Posted on 5/8/21 at 1:50 pm to Che Boludo
Posted on 5/8/21 at 1:50 pm to Che Boludo
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It doesn't, I agree.
It is deterrence and response. That is their true purpose. More LEOs in targeted spaces reduces opportunity and increases response time for timely apprehensions and supports increased deterrence.
Framing the problem as you have does not focus on the root cause. Prevention does not come from law "enforcement" by definition alone. Prevention moves left of the illegal act to provide values, education and opportunity that make criminal activity less desirable.
I’m a pretty left-leaning person but for the life of me I cannot figure out a workable alternative to law enforcement that isn’t essentially law enforcement but with some concessions to how much of the state’s monopoly on violence the people can stomach.
Stateless communist/anarchist imagine this utopia where a community self-regulates but I have my doubts that can work with a group of people larger than a family and sometimes it doesn’t even work within families.
A lot of cops are not particularly good people. They’re people and a lot of people ain’t worth a damn either. Just stands to reason. Sometimes they’re in the wrong and they deserve to be held accountable for their mistakes. I don’t think the police are going anywhere anytime soon. What’s the alternative? As you put it, they’re a part of the reinforcement of values.
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Posted on 5/8/21 at 1:53 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
That dude is resisting arrest refusing to put his hands behind his back plus he refused to stop to begin with. What part of that is so hard for people to understand? How about don’t break the law, don’t run from cops and when caught simply obey their commands.
Honestly, I’m just not seeing issues when people aren’t breaking the law. This guy was begging for it and also, how convenient that someone just happened to be filming....and how the guy conveniently turned around back into the filming lens.
Honestly, I’m just not seeing issues when people aren’t breaking the law. This guy was begging for it and also, how convenient that someone just happened to be filming....and how the guy conveniently turned around back into the filming lens.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 1:58 pm to MoarKilometers
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The playing field isn't remotely level.
Blame the police unions. They need to be abolished.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 2:10 pm to Tigerbait8
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If someone is resisting arrest, and won’t put their hands behind their back, police have a lot of tools to make you cooperate.
A taser shouldn't be one of them. The dude is on the ground already. What the frick is the taser going to do? Put him further into the ground? It sure as shite isn't going to magically force his hands to the back.
This is a case of police hiring fatasses and incompetent cops (or not enforcing physical standards). Just look at tmhow the cop dropped his bike. What a fool.
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Just put your hands behind your back, and this is totally avoidable. Quit making excuses for dumbasses and obey authority.
The guy has a huge back pack on. He's not going to be able to put his hands on his back with a huge backpack and two guys on top of him on command. Get real
. Police training is severely flawed. When you jump on someone, their natural instinct of protecting their vital organs will kick in. That means that most people will naturally use their hands to protect their face/chest from hitting the floor hard. And because this is rarely taken into account when arresting someone, it usually leads to bullshite charges like "resisting arrest".
I'm not saying cops shouldn't be aggressive, but they should at least stop adding bullshite charges when they are being aggressive.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 2:20 pm to Diego Ricardo
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I cannot figure out a workable alternative to law enforcement
That is the crux of the issue. "We" do not want to be controlled or subject to enforcement, but we recognize the need for others to be subjugated to law enforcement. It is the basis of social contract theory where we give up certain rights to ensure protection of other rights and societal "good order and discipline."
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Stateless communist/anarchist imagine this utopia where a community self-regulates but I have my doubts that can work with a group of people larger than a family and sometimes it doesn’t even work within families.
It is all a proven fallacy. It creates an extreme separation of the "haves" and "have nots," where the law enforcement operates sometimes in secret and almost always with pure impunity to protect those in control. Even on the micro scale of the family as you mentioned, the stereotypical "father figure" or parental controls are built on discipline (rules and punishment for breaking them). It is essentially law enforcement.
quote:exactly my original point and the second part to the familial example. Crime prevention is based on values inculcation, education and providing opportunity. That has to be societal on the macro scale and requires a strong family or "family" substitute nucleus to do on the micro scale.
lot of cops are not particularly good people. They’re people and a lot of people ain’t worth a damn either.
LEOs again are not prevention. It is deterrence and response to prevent anarchy, as humans without constraints or shared societal values are naturally opportunistic and selfish.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 2:22 pm to Texas Weazel
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A taser shouldn't be one of them. The dude is on the ground already.
The world you live in is fking stupid. Yeah, police have all day to let the idiot decide when to comply. All of this is on the idiot, not the police. Stop being a woke SJW blaming the police for everything.
Btw, you are making chit up about his backpack being the problem. Go put one on and tell me you can’t put your arms waste side behind your back. Any excuse to blame the police first. Why don’t you go see the idiot yourself and tell him the following:
1) Please don’t break the law.
2) When you do break the law, don’t fk up by making it worse by running from the police.
3) When you do run and finally get caught, don’t keep adding to it by resisting arrest.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 2:27 pm to PorkDawg
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By not breaking the law
Why hasn’t that been recommended before?
Posted on 5/8/21 at 2:29 pm to Texas Weazel
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A taser shouldn't be one of them
It is temporary and more easily recoverable than the nightstick or slap sticks of old used for compliance
No problem with the action. He was being a non-compliant a-hole well before and throughout the video.
Cops in college towns typically have a high threshold for young people being jerks given the high population of young, drunken jerks and need to balance that with allowing an attractive college lifestyle and environment.
Getting the treatment on the video is like getting a PI in a downtown college area, one really has to be going above and beyond to spark that reaction.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 2:32 pm to GatorOnAnIsland
Exactly lol. Btw, I have 3 siblings and 14 first cousins. Not ONE of us has ever been arrested or had a bad experience with police. We joke about coming from good stock and it’s pretty simple, we don’t do stupid chit to put ourselves in those situations to begin with. Imagine that!
Posted on 5/8/21 at 2:47 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
Random twit tweets contextless video of alleged violations by a couple of police.
Idiot on tRant "dis why we hate all police"!
At least the guy was white, I guess.
Idiot on tRant "dis why we hate all police"!
At least the guy was white, I guess.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 3:59 pm to MullenBoys
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The world you live in is fking stupid.
Tell me. How is a taser going to help stop the guy from getting away when he is already on the ground?
Tasers are meant as a last resort before a gun. End of discussion.
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Yeah, police have all day to let the idiot decide when to comply.
He's on the ground. If they're physically unable to put handcuffs on a guy they're on top of already, then they're extremely incompetent.
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Btw, you are making chit up about his backpack being the problem. Go put one on and tell me you can’t put your arms waste side behind your back
Don't forget the weight of two cops on top.
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Any excuse to blame the police first.
I'm not blaming the police. I'm blaming incompetent fools who are way out of shape. Police should have physical standards.
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1) Please don’t break the law.
Show me where I advocated for such thing?
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2) When you do break the law, don’t fk up by making it worse by running from the police.
Didn't say to.
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When you do run and finally get caught, don’t keep adding to it by resisting arrest.
He was caught and still tased.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 4:10 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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If this were an isolated incident it would be one thing.
CSPD arrested an A&M running back in 2002 because his dog's vaccinations weren't up to date.
Good grief. You mention a 20 year example to say this wasn’t an isolated incident. You are a clown.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 4:19 pm to Texas Weazel
Rule#1. Never run. They will catch you.
Rule#2. Never argue. They are all ways right.
Rule #3. When they say you are under arrest believe them.
Rule #4. When they say get in the car don’t tell them you ain’t going to. They will put you in the car no matter how many it takes.
Rule#2. Never argue. They are all ways right.
Rule #3. When they say you are under arrest believe them.
Rule #4. When they say get in the car don’t tell them you ain’t going to. They will put you in the car no matter how many it takes.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 4:26 pm to Texas Weazel
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Tell me. How is a taser going to help stop the guy from getting away when he is already on the ground?
Not going to waste my time breaking down every stupid paragraph you just typed. But since you’re a dumb SJW, I’ll just do the first one being that you are kinda slow upstairs.
The taser was not meant to stop him from getting away you big dummy, it was because he was not complying and putting his hands behind his back. How many times do I need to keep stating this? Good grief, man. Pay attention or quit posting. Big dummy!
This post was edited on 5/8/21 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 5/8/21 at 4:31 pm to Billder
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Good grief. You mention a 20 year example to say this wasn’t an isolated incident. You are a clown.
Yes and you know damn well Lobotomy (Aka Mr SJW) is leaving a lot out about that, too. His bunch always fabricate facts.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 4:41 pm to Texas Weazel
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What the frick is the taser going to do? Put him further into the ground? It sure as shite isn't going to magically force his hands to the back.
You've clearly never been tased.
Unless the device fails to function or you're on some serious drugs, you're going to stop fighting period, the end.
Something else - as soon as the taser stops so does the pain. Somewhat relevant - having felt both, I'd rather be tased than pepper sprayed any day. The after effects of chemical agents hang around a long time.
So, here are the options:
(1) Continue to force him to the ground and gain compliance by brute force risking injury to him and the officers (see Floyd, George).
(2) Spray him. He'll continue to fight but the risk of officer injury is somewhat lessened.
(3) Just let him walk away because frick it, why do we have laws anyhow?
(4) Tase him and end it with no further harm to anyone.
It's a pretty easy call.
This post was edited on 5/8/21 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 5/8/21 at 5:15 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
I didn’t realize cops still cared about jaywalking. Lame.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 5:45 pm to Quicksilver
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I didn’t realize cops still cared about jaywalking. Lame.
They don't. He wasn't being pursued and he wasn't arrested for jaywalking.
Posted on 5/8/21 at 5:58 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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One of their idiot cops tried to confiscate my military ID after I got back from Iraq in 2004 because he didn't believe I was 25 years old and thought my ID was counterfeit. His partner yanked him back quickly when I threatened to call the local MP detachment.
I had one do a similar routine with my real drivers license when I was a freshman. Kept trying to tell me how he knew it was fake because it didn’t have X,Y, and Z security features. No shite Sherlock, it’s not a Texas ID. And who the frick gets a fake ID that says they’re 18
Posted on 5/8/21 at 6:02 pm to JustGetItRight
Oh, what was the actual crime?
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